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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Charizard » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:04 pm

I'm about 99% sure blushingkitten is either a camgirl or PR damage control account judging by the other posts in this thread so... :stick:

But yeah, I'm jumping off this sinking ship. Got my last BD toy in today and that's that, there's nothing else for me here now and probably won't be again anytime soon.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby PeachKitsune » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:07 pm

There seems to be a lot of vitriol for camgirls here, as someone who has dabbled this is pretty disappointing. :nerdy:

*Goes back to lurking now*
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby blushingkitten » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:12 pm

I'm actually just someone who likes BD products who came here to chat with people who also like them. Not a cam girl or any sort of PR person. I just happen to feel not so negative about everything.

Not that it matters, since I'll probably stop participating. All this salt and negative shit is really off-putting.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby canonkiller » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:14 pm

Vitani wrote:Better yet, what about the people who like to fantasize about real animals?
What about the people who have toys based on younger fictional characters? I didn't see you standing up for them when they were being attacked.


Did you just compare cam girls (who enjoy... sex?) to pedophiles and animal rapists? :eyeroll: Wow. Yeah, there's a reason people don't want to stand up for them, and that's because it's illegal. Don't hurt yourself with that reach.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Laura the Nord » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:17 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Vitani wrote:Better yet, what about the people who like to fantasize about real animals?
What about the people who have toys based on younger fictional characters? I didn't see you standing up for them when they were being attacked.


Did you just compare cam girls (who enjoy... sex?) to pedophiles and animal rapists? :eyeroll: Wow. Yeah, there's a reason people don't want to stand up for them, and that's because it's illegal. Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Sitahl » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:20 pm

Can't wait till Monday to read a BD statement that appears nice, but is ultimately bashing and blaming us for the horrible desicions......an exact repeat of forum shutdown.

Also, adoptions...gotta sell those adoptions and get those Kink orders out.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Amaranthe » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:23 pm

TeOzMaC wrote:Can't wait till Monday to read a BD statement that appears nice, but is ultimately bashing and blaming us for the horrible desicions......an exact repeat of forum shutdown.

Also, adoptions...gotta sell those adoptions and get those Kink orders out.

I hope not. I do sort of expect some sort of statement on Monday given what a shit storm yesterday turned out to be, but hopefully we'll move forward instead of back.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby canonkiller » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:24 pm

Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Vitani wrote:Better yet, what about the people who like to fantasize about real animals?
What about the people who have toys based on younger fictional characters? I didn't see you standing up for them when they were being attacked.


Did you just compare cam girls (who enjoy... sex?) to pedophiles and animal rapists? :eyeroll: Wow. Yeah, there's a reason people don't want to stand up for them, and that's because it's illegal. Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^


Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:24 pm

I'm honestly surprised the forum is still here and hasn't been taken away.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby canonkiller » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:26 pm

Rainbow Dasher wrote:I'm honestly surprised the forum is still here and hasn't been taken away.


After recent posts I'd like to see it dead. :eyeroll:
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Laura the Nord » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:27 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Did you just compare cam girls (who enjoy... sex?) to pedophiles and animal rapists? :eyeroll: Wow. Yeah, there's a reason people don't want to stand up for them, and that's because it's illegal. Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^


Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Can be and can be, it's not always that. We're not talking about people who are actually doing it, but rather people who have fantasies related to it. This is Bad Dragon after all, a place for fantasy sex toys. A sex toy like Rex or Cole isn't the real thing, so there's no harm done there.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby kt~ » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:27 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Did you just compare cam girls (who enjoy... sex?) to pedophiles and animal rapists? :eyeroll: Wow. Yeah, there's a reason people don't want to stand up for them, and that's because it's illegal. Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^


Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Sigh....we're talking about using silicone dicks/vaginas/asses here. No one is advocating that anyone do anything to real kids or real animals :eyeroll:
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:28 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Rainbow Dasher wrote:I'm honestly surprised the forum is still here and hasn't been taken away.


After recent posts I'd like to see it dead. :eyeroll:


I almost think it should be. Sharing opinions and getting a bit upset is one thing, but now people are attacking others and I only see it getting worse. I've been temp banned for less than what some people are currently saying to one another, or even about BD as a whole. Way, way less.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby blushingkitten » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:30 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Rainbow Dasher wrote:I'm honestly surprised the forum is still here and hasn't been taken away.


After recent posts I'd like to see it dead. :eyeroll:


This. I thought it was getting better and people's moods were improving, but it doesn't seem like it... It just seems like such a bad representation of things now. Especially if I hadn't ever been to the forums before...
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby canonkiller » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:30 pm

Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^


Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Can be and can be, it's not always that. We're not talking about people who are actually doing it, but rather people who have fantasies related to it. This is Bad Dragon after all, a place for fantasy sex toys. A sex toy like Rex or Cole isn't the real thing, so there's no harm done there.


FUN FACT THREE: Vitani wasn't talking about defending people who were fantasizing about it. Also why I said REAL animals and not HUNKS OF SILICONE animals. Because those aren't animals! Those are objects. An animal will not understand people drawing porn of people fucking feral animals, even though it's still really fucking gross. A child will! Which is why a TOY modeled after a real animal is fine, but a toy modeled after a child character is not. And :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: Vitani for wanting to support the real deal.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby canonkiller » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:32 pm

kt~ wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:Fantasizing about real animals and having toys based on younger fictional characters isn't actual pedophilia or animal rape, it's called fantasizing. If they don't do it in real life, then what harm is it going to do? They're just sex toys so it should be fine ^^


Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Sigh....we're talking about using silicone dicks/vaginas/asses here. No one is advocating that anyone do anything to real kids or real animals :eyeroll:


Please stop defending pedophiles lmao
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Phelvia » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:32 pm

Guys please stop fighting, this isn't going to accomplish anything. People are getting heated here and I think we all need to cool off for a sec. Everyone has their views and opinions on things yes, but proper phrasing of things is also necessary. We're all here and suffering from the levels of bullshit on BD. Just different reasons. I'm not saying take it to pm's because I doubt that'll happen, but this is the internet. Things get skewed or, if it was meant a certain way...it's best to move on. Internet debates don't do much beings neither side usually wins.
Yes it's unfair that BD is flat out catering to camgirls and depending on a specific stereotype to get other's attention. In this case, depending heavily on those that fit the stereotype for selling sex to people. While I have my owns views on that...I'm just gonna say, let's not have a relapse of the Sugarstar incident please guys? what happened from that? People got majorly pissed off at each other and some are still holding anger from what was said over there.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Laura the Nord » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:34 pm

canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Can be and can be, it's not always that. We're not talking about people who are actually doing it, but rather people who have fantasies related to it. This is Bad Dragon after all, a place for fantasy sex toys. A sex toy like Rex or Cole isn't the real thing, so there's no harm done there.


FUN FACT THREE: Vitani wasn't talking about defending people who were fantasizing about it. Also why I said REAL animals and not HUNKS OF SILICONE animals. Because those aren't animals! Those are objects. An animal will not understand people drawing porn of people fucking feral animals, even though it's still really fucking gross. A child will! Which is why a TOY modeled after a real animal is fine, but a toy modeled after a child character is not. And :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: Vitani for wanting to support the real deal.

canonkiller wrote:
Laura the Nord wrote:
canonkiller wrote:
Fun facts! The normalization of media including sex with underage characters is not only normalizing attraction to minors, but can be used by actual pedophiles to show children that what they're asking them to do is accepted and normal, and can be incredibly harmful to CSA victims (or decent human beings) to see flaunted around like there's never been an issue with wanting to fuck a child in any way shape or form.

Fun fact number two! With both real animals and children, it's rape! And defending that is a horrific and inhumane choice for anyone to make!

Such fun facts!

Can be and can be, it's not always that. We're not talking about people who are actually doing it, but rather people who have fantasies related to it. This is Bad Dragon after all, a place for fantasy sex toys. A sex toy like Rex or Cole isn't the real thing, so there's no harm done there.


FUN FACT THREE: Vitani wasn't talking about defending people who were fantasizing about it. Also why I said REAL animals and not HUNKS OF SILICONE animals. Because those aren't animals! Those are objects. An animal will not understand people drawing porn of people fucking feral animals, even though it's still really fucking gross. A child will! Which is why a TOY modeled after a real animal is fine, but a toy modeled after a child character is not. And :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: :misc5: Vitani for wanting to support the real deal.

Actually...
Vitani wrote:Better yet, what about the people who like to fantasize about real animals?
Clearly fantasizing is implied there.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:37 pm

canonkiller wrote:Please stop defending pedophiles lmao


Stop bringing it up. This exact argument is what caused a lot of strife over Sugar Star. I'd love to forget that release entirely. I don't see them defending pedophilia, and I was molested as a child and now have PTSD related to it, classified disabled. Anyway, you won't convince them otherwise and they won't convince you. Also, extremely sick accusing Vitani of supporting pedophilia. You might want to seriously consider walking away. This is going to start a fight that probably will either end up with people banned, or the forum probably getting shut down. If that's what you're aiming for... Have at it, I guess.
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Re: Bad Dragon Banter

Postby 3TK » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:38 pm

The thing that personally disappoints me about the camgirls getting "care packages" isn't because they are camgirls, but it's because of the circumstances surrounding it.

First off, like I've said before, it honestly feels like a kick in the proverbial head/crotch or spit in your face or what-have-you to loyal customers to see people (the camgirls) - who likely didn't even know what Bad Dragon was before the "care package" - getting free items for doing literally nothing at all. Other than likely smile and look pretty...which of course is their job so I suppose you can't entirely fault them for that.

However...
Next up, as others pointed out, it has been said in the past that BD's "main customer base" consists of primarily gay men, or at least men. So...where are the cam-men getting "care packages"? There seems to be some blatant, uneven "sex sells" advertisement going on here.
If you look on the forums, we have a colorful group of people. There are many people who don't fit the gender-binary, many trans-men and women, gay men and women, as well as cis-men and women. It's clear that BD's products - while they may sell "well" to a single demographic - would benefit from them broadening their "care packages" to other reviewers.
(Or so...that is my opinion.)

The "special treatment" for this demographic (camgirls) is upsetting as it feels like while Bad Dragon is flourishing and (attempting) to bring in more people elsewhere, they're completely and utterly ignoring their loyal customer base. That, to me, is "gross" and upsetting.

On a smaller note, it is also a little disappointing that BD is going a "sex sells" route as opposed to a more reviewer-based route. This is completely my own opinion, but I've always enjoyed reading reviews, not watching videos of reviews or watching toys in action (unless it was a privately linked video to me - that is an entirely different story). I can understand why they're doing it, but...it is disappointing, nonetheless.

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