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Re: Demon dick

Postby karla-chan » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:44 am

Rubiksboi wrote:It looks like the Duke and Flint had a baby. And the name is kinda poop. :doh:



The name is probably because it's with Kink.com and they probably want something more in your face.

My issue with it, is it has everything stripped down which is something that people have been worried about. I know this is an extreme, since its one size and firmness and one colour only. You can't seem to customise anything about it at all. Which sucks.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby SheWantsTheDragonD » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:12 pm

blushingkitten wrote:I know your first part was just speculation, but as someone who personally enjoys some of the porn Kink.com makes, and who has a lot of friends who enjoy the porn Kink.com makes, I am saddened to think that people might actually feel that way... And I'm assuming you meant really vulgar people who don't want to have actual discussion, but I think it's a really fine line when talking about this... I don't mean you specifically, but more in a general sense...

it just feels a little judgmental at times, you know? And you'd think, on the site we're on, I would think people would be more understanding and accepting that people like different stuff and have different kinks and all of that jazz, but I'm seeing a lot of things that don't always seem that accepting. I'd imagine that a lot of us here know what it's like to be shamed or made to feel bad or embarrassed or whatever for what we like / what turns us on / what we enjoy fantasizing about / what we enjoy talking about / etc, so I really would expect more acceptance of different people and different preferences. Which goes along with different sites (like Kink.com), different images (more "graphic" or sexual), different language, etc. And I would like to think that nobody is actually judging anyone else, but just like the term "slut" can be offensive and taken negatively by some people, so can "sleazy", "trashy", "gross", etc.

I dunno. I just feel confused about the whole situation. I know it is upsetting and scary when changes happen to something someone loves and feels passionate about, but I guess I was just expecting some more understanding and patience. :( Understanding for different preferences / likes, understanding that BD is going through some growing (and perhaps some accompanying growing pains), understanding that people find BD from different ways, patience for new people who may be just discovering BD, patience with BD as they roll things out... Like we haven't even seen what else BD is planning, and they're already being drug through coals for trying to grow and expand themselves.

Personally, I'd rather try to build a welcoming, warm community for people who may be coming from Kink.com (or camgirls, or anywhere else, really) instead of inadvertently (or on purpose) making someone feel bad for not having the same journey as I did (or others did). And I'd like to continue supporting BD, even when they're growing and changing, because they have brought me a lot of joy and have made some of my favorite, most enjoyable sex toys.

Hopefully we can all calm down, eventually, and going back to feeling positive and happy and welcoming to newbies...

Please note: This is not aimed at anyone specific, just typing out my thoughts as I'm feeling a little sad reading some of this thread. :(


I've been feeling similar emotions to this and trying to figure out if and how to express it.

I don't think BD is going to switch to the way Kink does their website because BD isn't a porn site, but I've felt mildly uncomfortable at people describing Kink as sleazy and also uncomfortable with the attitudes towards camgirls or people who are different from the usual forum goer here.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Phelvia » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:07 pm

SheWantsTheDragonD wrote:I've been feeling similar emotions to this and trying to figure out if and how to express it.

I don't think BD is going to switch to the way Kink does their website because BD isn't a porn site, but I've felt mildly uncomfortable at people describing Kink as sleazy and also uncomfortable with the attitudes towards camgirls or people who are different from the usual forum goer here.


Well, some unwarranted opinion but...

I call Kink sleazy because of all the;
graphic porn everywhere (Even assumes that EVERYONE must want that because when you first click their page with the pop up "What kind of porn do you want to watch)
genitalia on various product pages
pushing sex to grab customers attention
Various people in suggestive positions
Uses hardhitting words to get attention
Doesn't identify what's in their products so who knows if it's safe or not?

Vs. BD with
presenting their products tastefully
Fantasy art that you can avoid if it makes you uncomfortable
Shows just the toy at different angles/colors/measurements and the usual custom options per product page
No "In your face" message that pushes sex.
Doesn't risk offending people with hard hitting words like "slut"
Not everyone is comfortable seeing real genitals. (I for one was draw to BD because it didn't do this)
Most people don't feel gross/creeped out buying from here (which is subjective because some feel no shame buying from kink..sooo....)

I've noticed how a lot of users feel "gross" going on Kink because of the "pervert" vibes they get from the site. Not everyone takes kindly to a website calling it's customers "sluts" or "slaves". Some hate it altogether, some don't mind in more intimate settings. The site definitely has it's own customers and it definitely flaunts it. More or less it's about how kink presents itself that comes off as trashy.
Personally as well, I feel if a company throws sex in your face they have no tact or real creative way to market to people so they just decide "Oh here! Look at these people on our site getting fucked. Give us moooonies now!"

As for how people feel about camgirls, that's all about their feelings/moral views on it; personal opinion and preference.

A lot of the sparked animosity aside from some just hating camgirls is probably due to the fact that BD sends all these camgirls -who probably are just sent the toy and told to talk about it- free toys vs. asking customers on here that actually show interest and care with Bad-dragon.(Another note is how any of the camgirls I've watched barely cover the toy and how it is in use and just babble on about the company or seem very disorganized in their thoughts. This angers some on here because, here we have people on the forums that can give great reviews and top these camgirls easily.)
Some people may also hate the whole camgirl thing BD does is because all of them look the same; cis female, colored hair/and or piercings, looks all dolled up for the camera and not how they naturally are.
Probably also how some on here feel that BD is subtly pushing sex like kink does to get customers. Because really, camgirls are usually appealing to the ratio of guys watching this in hopes of seeing the toy in use or thinking of using this on their partner/someone. I don't know.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Keely » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:28 pm

I haven't seen much hate against camgirls as a category or implying that camgirls are gross or bad or that camming is wrong. The stuff I've seen is just resentful that BD is sending all of this stuff to cam girls who don't know their company from Jack instead of people who are connected to the community. :eyeroll:

And why are you so against people not liking kink.com? Like people are allowed to feel skeeved out about in-your-face porn and calling customers slurs on their product pages.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Fae Fantase » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:46 pm

Keely wrote:I haven't seen much hate against camgirls as a category or implying that camgirls are gross or bad or that camming is wrong. The stuff I've seen is just resentful that BD is sending all of this stuff to cam girls who don't know their company from Jack instead of people who are connected to the community.

To me it's this. I've no problems with cam girls. I'm just baffled as to why BD is sponsoring them instead of people doing reviews or here who are going to target people specifically looking for new toys. I guess sex sells.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby blushingkitten » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:32 pm

I've seen what would commonly be considered negative terms used to describe cam girls. I've seen, specifically, them be called things such as gross, or trashy, or stupid. Not in a "I think it is unfair that they are receiving free product to promote the company when they don't even seem informed or passionate about the company" way, but in a "they all look the same and they don't know anything about the company" way.

Which is somewhat confusing to me... Obviously BD are giving there care package for promotional purposes. It makes sense that they would select people with a large viewership and a greater reach... People who aren't already familiar with BD. That's sort of the point of promotion; to get new business. All of us on the forums are aware about BD. Given that we're on the forums, some of us writing reviews, we probably already have some toys or have begun our journey into acquiring one. What would be the point about giving us care packages? None of the reviews here are that mainstream... This isn't a well known sex blog, or a very popular camshow, or a big name porn company. This is BD's forums, frequented by people who are already aware of BD. It would defeat the purpose to promote here.

I think maybe some people are thinking the care packages should be to reward loyalty, maybe? When they are most likely for promotional purposes. Which then makes sense they are promoting in new areas and new avenues.

They are in the business of selling sex toys. They'll have greater success if they become visible where sex is the focus, e.g. Cam girls and porn sites. So of course these places are going to be more graphic, as that's the point of these sites. Kink.com is a porn site. People go there to watch porn. It's obviously not going to be everyone's type of porn, but there's a lot of different porn sites for that reason... And I'd imagine those who are involved or interested in bdsm/kink are probably more receptive to fantasy toys than otherwise, so it seems like a safer bet, I'd imagine, to sell them there.

But as a sex toy company primarily, BD can of course show less graphic content. It makes sense for them to focus on the toy over anything else. But when camgirls' purpose is to sell sex / sexual interaction / an intimate connection, and when kink.com's purpose is to sell porn / people banging / being naked / catering to their intended audience, it makes sense for them to focus on that. So I'm really confused about why BD's site and the others are being compared when their purpose is different... A little overlapping, maybe, but it's not like comparing one apple to another apple.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby blushingkitten » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:28 pm

Fruityrumpusasshole wrote:I don't really agree with calling camgirls gross, slutty, ditzy/etc, but that's also that individuals OPINION.
I think furry stuff is gross as fuck and weird, but it's obvious that other people think differently. That's how it is with the camgirl thing. It's all opinion. And it's fine to share your opinion and discuss it with others. However attacking someone for an OPINION is shitty. Ask them why they feel that way, or explain how you don't feel the same. Don't call them a shitty person for not agreeing with you, even if it upsets you. This is all general you, not directed to any one individual. I've seen things be flung both ways, and it's not cool.

People also tend to lash out when they are mad. So even if someone doesn't have a problem with camgirls in general, someone might call them names in anger/be much more extreme about how they view them.


I totally get that people have opinions! And I'm not telling people they can't feel or think whatever they're feeling and thinking, but I personally think it's important to think before speaking... To be kind and thoughtful... To understand that everybody lives different lives... Mostly I just feel sad when it seems like people are being judgemental, or perhaps offensive to those who are different... And I just hope this place can stay open and accepting, you know? Not become a place where new people (or even older people) are afraid to come for fear of negativity / judgment / anger / etc.

Like you, I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular! Just sharing my thoughts. I want everybody to feel welcome! Since after all, we all came here for our love of unusually shaped sex toys! It should be a fun place for people to chat and meet others and share their experiences.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic and idealistic, though... Maybe such a thing is impossible when this place is so big and constantly growing. XD
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Vitani » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:42 pm

Kink.com makes me uncomfortable when I go on it. Sorry if this offends anybody, but it's true, and I'm not sure how you want me to sugercoat that for you?
And I don't want to start feeling uncomfortable when I come onto Bad Dragon.

Edit: I should also clarify that no, I don't really think that BD is going to become like Kink (a porn site) though, I do know about Toypics...I just don't go on there for the same reasons/discomfort.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby 3TK » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:44 pm

I actually thought the amount of people calling camgirls "gross" was rather low? I was actually believing most seemed to think it was the practice of BD giving the camgirls free gifts for practically nothing while leaving the loyal customers in the dark or without benefits was what was overall considered "gross".
...Or so, that's how I interpreted it. I know I certainly do not think camgirls nor their profession are gross. I do not watch them myself, but that is my choice as much as it is their choice as being a camgirl is their job. Honestly (first time saying this, but I feel it's important), to a degree I envy them, and it's not because of "free stuff", but it's more or less for the confidence they must have to show themselves on a camera in any regard.
I said a little more here, but I really want to keep this civil.

I, personally (opinion), do not like how Kink.com presents itself. It does seem "sleazy" to some who are not used to that sort of thing nor like it (in some manner). And while, yes, that seems appropriate for it's customer base (same as showing off furry pictures is for the majority for BD's customer base - or was), that is simply the website and who/what it was made for, which is the point most people seemed to be missing in the past.
I do think the hatred of Kink.com became extremely overblown. It was mainly out of the fear of what would become of this collab between Bad Dragon and Kink.com - the two companies for a lot of people seemed to be night and day! Sure they were sex companies, but it was their presentation and how each treated their demographic(s).
Kink.com just has a specific demographic that they adhere to, and that's fine - but many on BD simply do not want to have anything to do with the way the site presents itself, and I can count myself among one of those people.

I don't believe this is "kink-shaming" either for disliking Kink.com. Several people on the forum have expressed interesting and varied sexual interests before the collab. But the fact of the matter is, there are also several people who do not want anything to do with it, and that should be okay, too. It should be okay for both to exist, like they have in the past without shame or guilt or worry about what "other forum members" may think of them.

I think being critical of the collab dildo is fine. That is the same treatment as any other toy BD would have released (there were many negative comments towards Austin and Alice when they were released, and not-so-many amazing comments towards Tyson either if I remember correctly other than "finally! a bull dick!" but many were "huh? another Chance?").
The reason people are being hypercritical is because it is a collab; it should be out of the norm! And, well...it is out of the norm. For BD. Which we've heard a lot of radio silence from.
So this just rolls back around to people being scared and upset.

I cannot pretend to protect people and their thoughts nor comments. But these are just my own thoughts on the subject and why I feel the entire thing has become overblown. I feel that because there is a lot of people upset and scared...there is just simply going to be a lot of miscommunication and incomplete thoughts.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby blushingkitten » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:12 pm

3TK wrote:I actually thought the amount of people calling camgirls "gross" was rather low? I was actually believing most seemed to think it was the practice of BD giving the camgirls free gifts for practically nothing while leaving the loyal customers in the dark or without benefits was what was overall considered "gross".
...Or so, that's how I interpreted it. I know I certainly do not think camgirls nor their profession are gross. I do not watch them myself, but that is my choice as much as it is their choice as being a camgirl is their job. Honestly (first time saying this, but I feel it's important), to a degree I envy them, and it's not because of "free stuff", but it's more or less for the confidence they must have to show themselves on a camera in any regard.
I said a little more here, but I really want to keep this civil.

I, personally (opinion), do not like how Kink.com presents itself. It does seem "sleazy" to some who are not used to that sort of thing nor like it (in some manner). And while, yes, that seems appropriate for it's customer base (same as showing off furry pictures is for the majority for BD's customer base - or was), that is simply the website and who/what it was made for, which is the point most people seemed to be missing in the past.
I do think the hatred of Kink.com became extremely overblown. It was mainly out of the fear of what would become of this collab between Bad Dragon and Kink.com - the two companies for a lot of people seemed to be night and day! Sure they were sex companies, but it was their presentation and how each treated their demographic(s).
Kink.com just has a specific demographic that they adhere to, and that's fine - but many on BD simply do not want to have anything to do with the way the site presents itself, and I can count myself among one of those people.

I don't believe this is "kink-shaming" either for disliking Kink.com. Several people on the forum have expressed interesting and varied sexual interests before the collab. But the fact of the matter is, there are also several people who do not want anything to do with it, and that should be okay, too. It should be okay for both to exist, like they have in the past without shame or guilt or worry about what "other forum members" may think of them.

I think being critical of the collab dildo is fine. That is the same treatment as any other toy BD would have released (there were many negative comments towards Austin and Alice when they were released, and not-so-many amazing comments towards Tyson either if I remember correctly other than "finally! a bull dick!" but many were "huh? another Chance?").
The reason people are being hypercritical is because it is a collab; it should be out of the norm! And, well...it is out of the norm. For BD. Which we've heard a lot of radio silence from.
So this just rolls back around to people being scared and upset.

I cannot pretend to protect people and their thoughts nor comments. But these are just my own thoughts on the subject and why I feel the entire thing has become overblown. I feel that because there is a lot of people upset and scared...there is just simply going to be a lot of miscommunication and incomplete thoughts.


Thanks for writing this! It's really well written. :D
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Meer » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:28 pm

I just had to say this. I can't keep it in.

Oh, Bad Dragon, it's so sad to see you self inflict these wounds. I'll mourn for you, the company I used to love. :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

We're not bothering with characters anymore? It's just a demon dick, that's it? We don't even get a picture of a kick ass evil demon? Much less a name.... not even... "Davie the Demon" -_- No cute story about the scary looking but misunderstood demon who just wants love..... or whatever. :unamused:

ONE color option? JUST ONE COLOR? NO option at all to pick a custom color, not even the basic standard colors? :unamused:

One size... even just one firmness?? No cum tube option. At least there is the option for a suction cup or not. With all the options taken away, I'm surprised you bothered to let us have a suction cup. :unamused:

Logos on the sides? YUCK YUCK YUCK I can't say enough how much that sucks. :unamused:

And the saddest thing... a collaboration with another company, NOT another fantasy company, which could be really cool. But no, just a regular sex toy company. NOT COOL!! Pretty clear statement of how your trying to go mainstream. :unamused:

People who like mainstream things already have a glut of options! BD was created for a niche, it nurtured and grew that niche, and now wants to abandon it to make more money. Of course, that's what companies do. I was foolish to think that BD would try to make more money by innovating more things for the fantasy sex toy niche, no, like all companies they are taking the easy way to make more money by becoming as much like everybody else as possible. :unamused:

Watching what BD has been doing is like watching the Titanic sink, only much much more sad. :crying:

It's like watching someone with real unique talent selling out and making commercials instead of their art (the way actors and musicians and such may sometimes do) But this is worse. :crying:

Go ahead and chastise me for my negativity and bitching and moaning cuz I'm not getting my way. I don't mind, It's nothing compared to what BD is doing. :sniffing:
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Re: Demon dick

Postby SheWantsTheDragonD » Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:58 pm

3TK wrote:I actually thought the amount of people calling camgirls "gross" was rather low? I was actually believing most seemed to think it was the practice of BD giving the camgirls free gifts for practically nothing while leaving the loyal customers in the dark or without benefits was what was overall considered "gross".
...Or so, that's how I interpreted it. I know I certainly do not think camgirls nor their profession are gross. I do not watch them myself, but that is my choice as much as it is their choice as being a camgirl is their job. Honestly (first time saying this, but I feel it's important), to a degree I envy them, and it's not because of "free stuff", but it's more or less for the confidence they must have to show themselves on a camera in any regard.
I said a little more here, but I really want to keep this civil.

I, personally (opinion), do not like how Kink.com presents itself. It does seem "sleazy" to some who are not used to that sort of thing nor like it (in some manner). And while, yes, that seems appropriate for it's customer base (same as showing off furry pictures is for the majority for BD's customer base - or was), that is simply the website and who/what it was made for, which is the point most people seemed to be missing in the past.
I do think the hatred of Kink.com became extremely overblown. It was mainly out of the fear of what would become of this collab between Bad Dragon and Kink.com - the two companies for a lot of people seemed to be night and day! Sure they were sex companies, but it was their presentation and how each treated their demographic(s).
Kink.com just has a specific demographic that they adhere to, and that's fine - but many on BD simply do not want to have anything to do with the way the site presents itself, and I can count myself among one of those people.

I don't believe this is "kink-shaming" either for disliking Kink.com. Several people on the forum have expressed interesting and varied sexual interests before the collab. But the fact of the matter is, there are also several people who do not want anything to do with it, and that should be okay, too. It should be okay for both to exist, like they have in the past without shame or guilt or worry about what "other forum members" may think of them.

I think being critical of the collab dildo is fine. That is the same treatment as any other toy BD would have released (there were many negative comments towards Austin and Alice when they were released, and not-so-many amazing comments towards Tyson either if I remember correctly other than "finally! a bull dick!" but many were "huh? another Chance?").
The reason people are being hypercritical is because it is a collab; it should be out of the norm! And, well...it is out of the norm. For BD. Which we've heard a lot of radio silence from.
So this just rolls back around to people being scared and upset.

I cannot pretend to protect people and their thoughts nor comments. But these are just my own thoughts on the subject and why I feel the entire thing has become overblown. I feel that because there is a lot of people upset and scared...there is just simply going to be a lot of miscommunication and incomplete thoughts.


Partway through figuring out my response, your comment posted. I think this is good, too, and I read your comments on the other page you linked.


I've had a lot of confusion around this conversation for a few reasons.

I was getting the vibe that some people don't like sex workers that much, and that bothers me because I'm a sex worker and most of my friends do camming, stripping, escorting, or porn. The few people who implied that camgirls are trashy or stupid were the ones who upset me the most. This is the forum I generally reach to for being sex positive and accepting. It's kind of a part of my emotional support system now, so instances of that occasionally wear me down.

I have a lot of hangups around using words like "trashy" and "sleazy" to describe sexual expression or presentation someone doesn't like, and using "classy" to describe desired sexual expression. I'm not sure if I'm completely right about that as I haven't organized my thoughts about it completely - for instance, I can see how someone would feel upset seeing explicit sex on a website if they expected something else, and to me it would make no sense to put explicit sexual images all over Bad Dragon - but I feel like "trashy" can imply moral inferiority and I feel like it's used to police sexual behaviors that often don't hurt anyone.

I don't think that morality is actually attached to using sex to make money if you're not hurting anyone, so maybe some of my confusion comes from trying to distinguish if other people are saying that or not.


I should add that I agree with people who say there's a diversity problem in sex work representation. If that was the meaning of "samey," I can get behind that - sex workers aren't all white, cisgendered, or straight, but the loudest voices seem to come from that demographic and the largest rewards go to them (at least in my part of the world - I realize that I'm on a global forum).

I don't know the list of who BD has been sending free dildos to so I don't know how that spreads out, but only rewarding people who are already more privileged - while it might reach a new audience, and I want as many people as possible to have access to body safe sex toys - implies some bad things to me.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby PeachKitsune » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:52 pm

Meer wrote:Watching what BD has been doing is like watching the Titanic sink, only much much more sad. :crying:


....I really don't think we can compare a company that is possibly changing direction to a ship with thousands of people on it sinking....and dying etc.


It's okay to be upset/angry/sad, but lets be semi realistic lol.


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Postby Akanisen » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:04 pm

PeachKitsune wrote:
Meer wrote:Watching what BD has been doing is like watching the Titanic sink, only much much more sad. :crying:


....I really don't think we can compare a company that is possibly changing direction to a ship with thousands of people on it sinking....and dying etc.


It's okay to be upset/angry/sad, but lets be semi realistic lol.


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Yea, titianic sinking vs bad dragon is taking it too far :bugeyed:
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Re: Demon dick

Postby Keely » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:11 pm

SheWantsTheDragonD wrote:
3TK wrote: :words:


Partway through figuring out my response, your comment posted. I think this is good, too, and I read your comments on the other page you linked.


I've had a lot of confusion around this conversation for a few reasons.

I was getting the vibe that some people don't like sex workers that much, and that bothers me because I'm a sex worker and most of my friends do camming, stripping, escorting, or porn. The few people who implied that camgirls are trashy or stupid were the ones who upset me the most. This is the forum I generally reach to for being sex positive and accepting. It's kind of a part of my emotional support system now, so instances of that occasionally wear me down.

I have a lot of hangups around using words like "trashy" and "sleazy" to describe sexual expression or presentation someone doesn't like, and using "classy" to describe desired sexual expression. I'm not sure if I'm completely right about that as I haven't organized my thoughts about it completely - for instance, I can see how someone would feel upset seeing explicit sex on a website if they expected something else, and to me it would make no sense to put explicit sexual images all over Bad Dragon - but I feel like "trashy" can imply moral inferiority and I feel like it's used to police sexual behaviors that often don't hurt anyone.

I don't think that morality is actually attached to using sex to make money if you're not hurting anyone, so maybe some of my confusion comes from trying to distinguish if other people are saying that or not.


I should add that I agree with people who say there's a diversity problem in sex work representation. If that was the meaning of "samey," I can get behind that - sex workers aren't all white, cisgendered, or straight, but the loudest voices seem to come from that demographic and the largest rewards go to them (at least in my part of the world - I realize that I'm on a global forum).

I don't know the list of who BD has been sending free dildos to so I don't know how that spreads out, but only rewarding people who are already more privileged - while it might reach a new audience, and I want as many people as possible to have access to body safe sex toys - implies some bad things to me.
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Just wanted to say that 3TK's response was great and I'm totally behind it.

And now onto your post. I haven't seen much anti-sexworker sentiment here and if people are legit dissing sex work and/or sex workers it's not an ok thing to do. I'm supportive of consensual sex work in all its forms from camming to full-service workers and everything between.

To me at least I'm not using sleazy to describe that I dislike sex or the kind of sex presented on kink.com. The sleazy feeling to me comes from my own lack of consent to having porn shoved in my face on product pages and use of charged words like slut and slave to refer to my person without my consent. It makes me feel gross and totally creeped out. I dislike oxballs site for this same reason with the porn and the readers being referred to as pigs and sluts.

Overall I've found this forum to be really friendly towards people who enjoy BDSM and are in power exchange relationships so I really don't think that prejudice/shaming towards that kind of sex is an issue here.

Additionally I think the backlash towards cam girls is because the whole decision to involve them is kinda :psyduck: Cam girl audience is generally straight men, which is not BD's target demographic. Additionally the camgirls selected seem to have been selected carefully based on what gets the person selecting them off rather than on things like that they already use alt toys (and have viewership that appreciates and would be interested in such products) or if they can give a cogent review of the product.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby AltheaThune » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:01 am

Thanks, BlushingKitten for saying so many things I would have wanted to say myself if you hadn't already done so, so eloquently.

It seems like there are some people who expect kink.com to present itself as primarily a retailer of sex toys, when it isn't. It's primarily a porn site, with porn of a particular flavor, and no one who goes there on purpose is going to be scandalized by the images, or the words, used there. Their store is not their primary business, it's more like the gift shop at the zoo. You go to the zoo to look at the animals, and maybe you buy a souvenir or two. You go to the porn site to look at porn, and maybe it inspires you to pick up some toys, so naturally they offer an onsite store featuring the sort of things seen in their videos.

Long-winded but just trying to say people should chill out about kink.com being so in-your-face, because no-one has to go there to shop for BD toys. There is room in the world for both. I see no reason to believe BD is going to change their website to be more like kink.com. Why would they? BD isn't in the business of selling porn.

Regarding the cam girls, my guess is that BD sent care packages to girls who have a large viewership, who all seem to be the same type because that's the type that's popular. I'm not sure it's an effective way of reaching the right customer demographic. Guys who like camgirls buying toys for their gfs? I guess time will tell whether their investment pays off. Sending free stuff to forum users doesn't seem like a way to bring in new customers, as they're preaching to the converted. Sending free stuff to forum users just to be nice, and to reward customer loyalty, isn't really a good investment, and can you imagine the trouble and strife it would cause on the forums with people getting pissed off and jealous if they weren't among the chosen few to get goodies? Besides, if your goal is to expand your customer base, you have to look beyond the customers you already have.

Speaking of expanding the customer base, a lot of people are afraid that BD is going to completely change who they are to appeal to more customers. I think these fears are unfounded. You don't have to be a furry to be attracted to BD's products. Or whatever it is you think defines the BD customer. Why not try to get a broader audience to check out what BD does and see whether it appeals to them? Not change what BD does, but get more people aware of BD's existence, so they can sell more dragon cocks.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby thesharkwhisperer » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:49 am

Vitani wrote:Kink.com makes me uncomfortable when I go on it. Sorry if this offends anybody, but it's true, and I'm not sure how you want me to sugercoat that for you?
And I don't want to start feeling uncomfortable when I come onto Bad Dragon.

Edit: I should also clarify that no, I don't really think that BD is going to become like Kink (a porn site) though, I do know about Toypics...I just don't go on there for the same reasons/discomfort.

I think they are just asking that people who might happen to like this sort of content stop being treated like some sleazy gross perv "normies" who are not welcome here just because they enjoy something the forums don't.
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Re: Demon dick

Postby BlastShelter » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:44 am

AltheaThune wrote:(...) I see no reason to believe BD is going to change their website to be more like kink.com. Why would they? BD isn't in the business of selling porn.

And what type of porn they do, If they would do? Animated furry porn? Yiff hentai? 3D yiff?... Or only comics?
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Re: Demon dick

Postby lizardbreath » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:25 am

thesharkwhisperer wrote:
Vitani wrote:Kink.com makes me uncomfortable when I go on it. Sorry if this offends anybody, but it's true, and I'm not sure how you want me to sugercoat that for you?
And I don't want to start feeling uncomfortable when I come onto Bad Dragon.

Edit: I should also clarify that no, I don't really think that BD is going to become like Kink (a porn site) though, I do know about Toypics...I just don't go on there for the same reasons/discomfort.

I think they are just asking that people who might happen to like this sort of content stop being treated like some sleazy gross perv "normies" who are not welcome here just because they enjoy something the forums don't.

That would be nice.

Is there an official "no kink (or lack of kink) shaming" rule on the forums?

There reeeeealy should be

Don't like it?

Them move along


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Re: Demon dick

Postby kt~ » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:44 am

lizardbreath wrote:That would be nice.

Is there an official "no kink (or lack of kink) shaming" rule on the forums?

There reeeeealy should be

Don't like it?

Them move along


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Well, don't open this up to random pedophilia accusations :eyeroll:
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