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Re: Binaries

Postby Amaranthe » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:54 pm

Roverseer2 wrote:Man, BD moderation is really shit if this thread has been left untouched for so long. :eyeroll:

I was just considering messaging a mod about it, tbh.
There's no good way for this thread to end except in being shut down. :unamused:
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Re: Binaries

Postby Jasmine » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:00 pm

Amaranthe wrote:
Roverseer2 wrote:Man, BD moderation is really shit if this thread has been left untouched for so long. :eyeroll:

I was just considering messaging a mod about it, tbh.
There's no good way for this thread to end except in being shut down. :unamused:


I don't think they have mods patrolling the forums as actively since Audax left BD, sadly.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Amaranthe » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:01 pm

Jasmine wrote:
Amaranthe wrote:
Roverseer2 wrote:Man, BD moderation is really shit if this thread has been left untouched for so long. :eyeroll:

I was just considering messaging a mod about it, tbh.
There's no good way for this thread to end except in being shut down. :unamused:


I don't think they have mods patrolling the forums as actively since Audax left BD, sadly.

I think you'e right. :unamused:
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Re: Binaries

Postby tamandua » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:28 pm

I'm willing to bet a whole donut that OP is well under 25 and is real fun at parties, assuming human interaction outside of going to the store for a soda run isn't far beneath his superior intellect.

OP if you're in any way sincere then I'm embarrassed for you and I hope you take some time for some introspection and deciding if being an edgy mcedgelord on a dildo forum on the internet is really who you want to be. I encourage you to try to enrich your worldview by going out and meeting and talking to people who are different from you outside of the internet. I will warn you that describing yourself to a real live human being as an "anti-feminist, anti-SJW" will make you sound like an ignorant child with a giant chip on your shoulder and an axe to grind or a bizarre clueless alien at best because not everyone is a shut-in that spends hours a day getting indoctrinated on Reddit on why equality for women is bad and queer identity is a lie.

Kids these days, man. :psyduck:
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Re: Binaries

Postby Amaranthe » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:33 pm

tamandua wrote:I'm willing to bet a whole donut that OP is well under 25 and is real fun at parties, assuming human interaction outside of going to the store for a soda run isn't far beneath his superior intellect.

OP if you're in any way sincere then I'm embarrassed for you and I hope you take some time for some introspection and deciding if being an edgy mcedgelord on a dildo forum on the internet is really who you want to be. I encourage you to try to enrich your worldview by going out and meeting and talking to people who are different from you outside of the internet. I will warn you that describing yourself to a real live human being as an "anti-feminist, anti-SJW" will make you sound like an ignorant child with a giant chip on your shoulder and an axe to grind or a bizarre clueless alien at best because not everyone is a shut-in that spends hours a day getting indoctrinated on Reddit on why equality for women is bad and queer identity is a lie.

Kids these days, man. :psyduck:

:misc13: this, though.

I'll leave this video for OP. It's by a sex psychologist, or a SCIENTIST who studies sex, sexuality, gender, the whole bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_alNELGiHI
It touches on some of the differences between physical gender/sex and social/cultural gender, which OP seems to believe are the same. Beyond this, I'm not interested in engaging with this topic anymore.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Robiland » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:58 pm

This thread is so yikes. My understanding/belief is that there is physical gender, and then the gender that actually matters. This is the one that relates to the individual's personal gender identity and this really is entirely up to the individual to decide. Unless you have reduced a person's gender identity to their physical body(this is undeniably objectification and absolutely immoral to do), it doesn't matter what body we have. It's fine to make a mistake, but if upon being corrected you position against their gender identity, you're straight up being immoral and wrong. That's the only thing "wrong" with the non-binary "issue", that people who identify as the gender they were born with sometimes seem to feel obligated to argue and fight against non-binary identity for reasons unknowable.

Sometimes I feel strongly feminine, most of the time I feel like an alpha male. It's different for everyone. Some have their gender set in stone on the spectrum in a totally different spot from the physicality of it, some are fluid like me, some are only comfortable with how they were born physically, as well as many other types along the spectrum of gender. Sometimes it's just a phase, sometimes it sticks because it changes their experience of life in such a positive manner.
If you make it into an issue by bringing politics into gender identity, it becomes a really complicated and judgmental issue because people are holding the belief that it is wrong to one degree or another. There is nothing wrong about non-binary gender and it takes absolutely nothing away from society. The only ones being hurt by any of it are the people who identify as non-binary in a society that often marginalizes such a significant aspect of their identity.

"I'm fine with it in real life as long as they don't try to force me to use their gender pronouns" just leave the person alone if you're going to be a jerk, because that's all you are doing. You have nothing to offer to these people because of the world views you choose to hold. Leave them alone, stick with your own crew. I'm sure they're all really enriching people to hang out with. If you don't have the ability to treat people that identify as non-binary with respect then they have nothing to offer to you either, nor do you deserve any of the gifts they do. That's what it means to live and let live. You choose the world you get to be happy in, no one else can do that for you.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:12 pm

Lurrk wrote:My private message box is also open if any mature adults want to chat about this.


You mean it is open to people who agree with you. Mature adults? So says the one who is name calling, putting others down, and being a jerk when responding.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Roverseer2 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:01 pm

Amaranthe wrote:
Jasmine wrote:
Amaranthe wrote:I was just considering messaging a mod about it, tbh.
There's no good way for this thread to end except in being shut down. :unamused:


I don't think they have mods patrolling the forums as actively since Audax left BD, sadly.

I think you'e right. :unamused:


The thread has been reported, though. At least that's what it says when you go to report it now. Been like that since the start. :unamused:
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Re: Binaries

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Re: Binaries

Postby Willow » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:53 pm

Lurrk wrote:I was planning on replying to posts in chronological order, but since you're being especially cunty, I'll make a special exception to reply to you first, just so I can enjoy being a cunt right back. :words: :words: :words:


Aaaaaand with that, good luck in all your future endeavors. I did respond to your answers, but hey, whatever ya want to do with that is up to you.
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Re: Binaries

Postby tamandua » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:59 pm

Also OP, I will say this:

I've spent many evenings listening to groups of lovely people in their 50's and 60's who identified as trans or nonbinary talking about their experiences. These are people who don't even know what Tumblr is much less get most of their social interaction from the internet like it sounds like you have. Miss me with that "nonbinary identities are an SJW snowflake fad" bullshit because queer people have existed for longer than you've even been alive.

Being "redpilled" is just another way of saying that you view the world with blinders on and are unwilling to accept things that challenge those views. Either you accept these things and accept that people can be different, or keep blindly eating shit from the diaper that is red pill ideology.

And personally, eating shit's just not a good look. Unless you're into that, of course. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Binaries

Postby Gamma Velorum » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:42 pm

tamandua wrote:Also OP, I will say this:

I've spent many evenings listening to groups of lovely people in their 50's and 60's who identified as trans or nonbinary talking about their experiences. These are people who don't even know what Tumblr is much less get most of their social interaction from the internet like it sounds like you have. Miss me with that "nonbinary identities are an SJW snowflake fad" bullshit because queer people have existed for longer than you've even been alive.

Being "redpilled" is just another way of saying that you view the world with blinders on and are unwilling to accept things that challenge those views. Either you accept these things and accept that people can be different, or keep blindly eating shit from the diaper that is red pill ideology.

And personally, eating shit's just not a good look. Unless you're into that, of course. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You took the words out of my mouth. THANK YOU. OP is a moron and I imagine they'll be banned quick enough.
And that's all I'll be contributing to this thread.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Keely » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:31 am

and here we have a lovely visual depiction of OP's attitude and the general course of this thread

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Why haven't mod's been on this? I remember back in the day when you couldn't even marginally imply that you'd insulted someone without a mod telling you to cool it and now half-page incoherent rants filled with slurs about "professional victimhood" are apparently ok
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Re: Binaries

Postby Ixick » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:21 am

Well, I suppose he'll get banned eventually, at least. :eyeroll: What a sad fellow that he throws this big of a tantrum that quickly on a dildo forum when he doesn't get to act like a brat unquestioned. Hopefully he'll grow out of it someday, and really hopefully he doesn't act like this offline, 'cause that'd be really embarrassing! :widesmile: From that last response, I'd honestly wonder if he's even over the age of 18.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Lurrk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:59 am

Hey guys,

Have fun with the reports and the spam. While waiting for the mods mjolnir of judgement, i'm going to ignore the obvious trolls and get back to discussing the original point of this thread:

What are the non-binary genders and how do they fit into your perceptions of gender? For example:

Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox

This description is way too vague for an average joe like me to understand. How do you define it? I'm looking for specifics, if at all possible.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Lurrk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:21 am

Willow wrote:
Lurrk wrote:In your world view, what is the difference between trans-sexual and trans-gender?
If I was to make a logical assumption, a trans-gender would be a person who has a crossed gender, while a trans-sexual would be someone who has a crossed sexuality. But this is confusing, because a crossed sexuality would be called homosexual or bisexual, right? So is a trans-sexual someone who is sexually attracted to all non-male non-female genders?


Ah well, I might as well take an attempt at this. It is quite a complex question when it should not be.
First and foremost, I would to make it clear that these are my thoughts and might not and do not always align with others. I tried to approach it in a way that seemed the most logical through introspection, research and social interactions.
Transgender is an umbrella term. Trans meaning across. And gender... well gender. This covers crossdressers, transvestites, transsexuals (we will get to in a minute), drag queens/kings, and other non-comforming gender roles that are not covered by other groups, other groups like Q (queer or questioning covers the more non-specific).
Personally I don't agree with a few of the inclusions on that list, but I am not here to change definitions.

Transsexual has absolutely nothing to with sexuality (although some have used the word transsexuality which isn't even a word). Once again, trans meaning across and sexual pertaining to their sex. It is one who believe that their body does not match their mind. Or to be more cryptic, but precise their sex does not match gender (I'll explain in a bit). Colloquially known as, a man trapped in a woman's body or woman trapped in a man's body... it goes both ways.
One most understand that, within the topic, gender is a psychological construct. Your mind, basically.
Sex is a physical manifestation... your body.
How this differs from a crossdresser (CD) is that CD has no desire to become a woman, but dresses as the opposite sex which is almost predominately part-time. Transsexuals do have the desire to lives as the opposite sex and some do take the step necessary for that.

I will not go into the aforementioned steps, the differences between CD and a transvestite or what makes a transsexual a transsexual, those are stories for another time. They are also more specific on my thoughts with cane be more radically different from others.

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I think I get it now.
Transgender covers a wide array of cross stuff, including cross dressing.
While transsexual is specifically MtW or WtM trans, with or without surgery, right?

Is cross dressing considered to be another gender, or it this just something that some people (usually males?) do?

Also, I thought cross dressers and drags were all called transvestites. Is transvesite another umbrella term, or is that something different again?
When I think of transvestites, I imagine Frank'N'Furter from the rocky horror picture show. "I'm just a sweet transvestite, from transexual, transilvania" (song lyrics)

What other kinds of things fall under the umbrella category of transgender?
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Re: Binaries

Postby Lurrk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:59 am

Idra wrote:Science has always been catching up because people want there to be a scientific explanation instead of being able to accept that what people feel is true about themselves IS true, regardless of whether it's scientifically accurate or you agree with it. anything. If someone feels they're a cat in a human's body then that's still true for them, from their perspective/point of view, regardless of whether you like it or accept it or whether science backs it up. If you don't want to be around someone like that, don't be.


How... how can you feel like a cat in a person's body? I mean, what does it "feel" like? Can you describe or define it?

Yes I could simply walk away and say live and let live, but this is a serious question that will need to be answered if and when Human-to-Feline people want a kitty litter box put in all school dunnies, and scratching posts on every basketball court? How far are we expected to go to accommodate all of these genders, and who is going to pay for it?

Trans people are already having issues with this. MtW trans kids want to use the girls dunnies, but parents of girls don't want dicks going into their little girl's toilets.

I can empathise with the parents. If I had a girl, you can bet your arse that I wouldn't want biologically male kids going into her bathroom. I mean, how do you tell whether that boy is actually an MtW tranny, or whether he's only pretending so he can peep on my girl while she pisses?

IMO the obvious answer is for trans kids to either use their biological gender bathroom, or for them to use the faculty dunnies... but apparently neither of these are good enough solutions for trans people.

So... how do we solve this problem? Have 3 bathrooms? (One male, one female, and one disabled-unisex). This is all well and good for new buildings, but what about all the schools that currently only have 2 gender dunnies? Who is going to pay for the renovations to install a unisex toilet?



I can only speak for Australia, but all schools here must accept wheelchair kids. But they don't need to fork out the $$$ to install ramps and disabled dunnies and all that stuff unless/until a wheelchair kid enrolls.

So maybe put in a rule that if trans kids don't want to piss in their bio bathroom or the faculty bathroom, then they have to enroll in a wheelchair-friendly school? This way they can use the unisex wheelchair dunnies.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Lurrk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:09 am

None wrote:
Lurrk wrote:Also, I wouldn't consider myself an alpha either. I fuck my shitter with rubber dicks and wank off to my little pony porn.
Not all red-pilled anti-feminists are alphas :eyeroll:


Do you consider yourself a beta then? Because if you say that there's a spectrum within the male gender between Alpha and Beta, why wouldn't there be a spectrum outside of the male gender?


In my traditional and science based view?
Gender is male or female.
Masculinity and femininity is a spectrum.

You can be a feminine male (beta), or a masculine male (alpha), or anything in between. But being male is constant.
Same for chicks. They can be butch or dainty, or anything in between. But they're all still chicks.

But to answer your question, I'd put myself around the 70% to 80% mark on the masculinity spectrum.
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Re: Binaries

Postby Lurrk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:10 am

Robiland wrote:This thread is so yikes. My understanding/belief is that there is physical gender, and then the gender that actually matters. This is the one that relates to the individual's personal gender identity and this really is entirely up to the individual to decide. Unless you have reduced a person's gender identity to their physical body(this is undeniably objectification and absolutely immoral to do), it doesn't matter what body we have. It's fine to make a mistake, but if upon being corrected you position against their gender identity, you're straight up being immoral and wrong. That's the only thing "wrong" with the non-binary "issue", that people who identify as the gender they were born with sometimes seem to feel obligated to argue and fight against non-binary identity for reasons unknowable.


The unknowable reasons are pretty straight forward... non binaries are demanding that society makes concessions just for them (eg the "what toilets can they use" issue).

A prerequisite for me to give anyone any special concessions, is to first define it by a tangible metric. I'm not going to tolerate bio women using mens dunnies just because they "said" they're male.

To draw a parallel, he in good ol straya, you can get a welfare handout if you're an abbo. If we gave everyone money just for saying they identify as black, then everyone would be black.
So to get the handout, you have to prove one of two things:
1) you're genetically 1/16th aboriginal (or more); or
2) you have been initiated into the tribe AND have a connection to the land.
The connection can be proven a few different ways:
By showing you grew up on your tribal land, and still return to it at least once per year.
By marrying an abbo, currently live on tribal land, and know the tribal lores from memory.
By being the primary caregiver of a child who is eligible for handouts.
And I'm sure there are other ways too, but these were examples.

So, just like the aboriginies, if non binaries want special concessions, they need to find a way to prove their identity. There needs to be some way to objectively differentiate the genuine people from the frauds.

Robiland wrote:"I'm fine with it in real life as long as they don't try to force me to use their gender pronouns" just leave the person alone if you're going to be a jerk, because that's all you are doing. You have nothing to offer to these people because of the world views you choose to hold. Leave them alone, stick with your own crew. I'm sure they're all really enriching people to hang out with. If you don't have the ability to treat people that identify as non-binary with respect then they have nothing to offer to you either, nor do you deserve any of the gifts they do. That's what it means to live and let live. You choose the world you get to be happy in, no one else can do that for you.


If a bio male wants me to call them she, or a bio female wants me to call them he, that's fine. It's just a matter of getting used to the other pronoun.

The pronouns that I refuse to use are the 65 invented ones. It's simply unreasonable to expect anyone to remember so many:
E, Em, Eir, Eirs, Emself
Ey + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Hu + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Peh + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Per + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Thon + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Ve + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Xe + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Yo + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Ze hir + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Ze mer + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Ze zir + the 4 other versions of this pronoun
Zhe + the 4 other versions of this pronoun

If a non-binary believer gets offended at my refusal to step outside of the binary pronouns, then they probably wont like my personality anyway...
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Re: Binaries

Postby Idra » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:01 am

Lurrk wrote:How... how can you feel like a cat in a person's body? I mean, what does it "feel" like? Can you describe or define it?
[a lot of ridiculous bathroom talk]
I can only speak for Australia, but all schools here must accept wheelchair kids. But they don't need to fork out the $$$ to install ramps and disabled dunnies and all that stuff unless/until a wheelchair kid enrolls.

So maybe put in a rule that if trans kids don't want to piss in their bio bathroom or the faculty bathroom, then they have to enroll in a wheelchair-friendly school? This way they can use the unisex wheelchair dunnies.

I have no idea how anyone feels like a cat in a person's body. I've never felt that way, so I don't know how it feels -- but I've met people who have felt that way, and since they're not bothering me, why should I have an issue with their truth?

Also the whole bathroom thing is some fine, fine logical fallacy. [sips wine] Like, if you think about it, using your example of a school... Let's imagine that this hypothetical kid is actually a boy -- a straight boy, as you're assuming -- and wants to use the girls' bathroom on the off chance of catching a glimpse of vagina. This is not a scenario where the boy can just pop in and then claim subsequently that he's really a girl and nobody will challenge that; anyone doing that would be treated as a boy in the girls' bathroom. So in order to actually be allowed to use the girls' bathroom by pretending to be a trans girl, this kid would have to be:
1. Willing to consistently dress like and be treated like a girl. This typically means girl clothes, she/hers pronouns, girl roles in school plays, girl spots in line (if you line up boy-girl-boy-girl, etc), going by a girl's name in school...
2. Willing to fight the school board (because yes, in 99% of cases, you have to, especially pre-college) and publicly declare herself to be a trans girl;
3. Both 1 & 2 would require parental consent/support/coming out to your parents as a trans girl;
4. She would have to win that fight with the school board and be allowed to use the girls' bathroom, which is quite difficult anyway, especially in conservative areas;
and 5. Would then have to not be caught while peepin' on some vagina.

The idea that someone who was really a boy would be willing to do all of that just on the off chance of seeing a vagina (rather than, say, simply asking a girl, or dating a girl so that she'd show him, or even searching "vagina" online) is actually beyond belief. It's simply not reasonable to suppose that someone would be willing to publicly live their life as trans (with all the prejudice and risk that entails) just to see some vagina in the bathrooms.

Frankly it's kind of weird that you assume anyone with a dick's single motivation in life is to see a vagina and not, say, to just piss and get the fuck out.

I personally am very much in favor of unisex bathrooms for anyone who wants to use them, not to force trans people to use unisex bathrooms rather than just letting all girls use the girls' bathroom. I work on several different sites and one of them has two single stall bathrooms, where only one person can ever be at any one time, so there's literally no reason for them to have genders attached to them at all -- and yet one is male and one is female. Wtf
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