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Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Fear » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:46 am

There is no way for new people to discover the forums. Old users might also have a hard time if they don't have a bookmark or think to search Google to see if the forums are still around. Was this an oversight or is there is a reason for this?

This seems to go alongside the ongoing trend of trying to let the forums die of their own accord to avoid any sort of PR lashback. Really wish management would either stand by what they seem to ultimately want or buckle down with their efforts into making this place the sort of place they want to run.

The only time I even see the word "forum" mentioned on any link on the first page is under "Privacy Policy". Still no link.

I understand the forums are a privilege, not something that we are entitled to, but a little consistency and transparency go a long way.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Villie » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:56 am

I feel if they're trying to phase out the forums, id rather then be clear about it and say it ahhh

I mean it's possible they're planning on overhauling and revamping the forums too, and are waiting until they look professional before linking it to their new front page


But either way us users have no clue
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby counterserum » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:18 am

I hope they don't phase out the forums / kill them off. :/ It's a good place to review the toys and get user input on each individual model rather than throwing caution to the wind and spending a shitload of money on something that might not be the right fit for me. I've found quite a few toys that were much better fits for me thanks to the forums, so it would be a bummer if they were to just kill them.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby TheOtherDude » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:46 am

It is also a great place to find inspiration, and to see toys and colors in tons of angles and in actual photos.

Now that they've taken away most of the real product photos for each toy and only left a very tiny, very basic 3D render in its place that can't even remotely replicate the colors and lighting, this is even more important than ever before.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby marshmarshmarsh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:56 pm

it's also an amazing wealth of information on toys in general and healthy sex help resources. not to mention that it's been around since, what, 2008? 2011? a few years before my time. that's a LOT of resource to refer to. and especially helpful when citing colors for customs!
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby mynickname » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:32 pm

Considering they've been updating the forum rules (most people's signatures are now allowed) and are working on a new sales area, BD would really have to be out of touch with itself if it was trying to let the forums die. They could have banned everyone with toy lists in their sigs and that would have taken out the majority of the high posters.

BD forums is the only way I keep in touch with the fantasy toy market and I have spent $$$ because of that. If the forums close, I'll no longer be actively checking any of the sites and will probably stop buying toys (yay for accelerated retirement).

I don't think they're trying to kill the forums.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby QueenCheetah93 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:38 pm

Fruityrumpusasshole wrote:Everyone said they were phasing out the labs, and one of the mods came in and said "nope, we're working on them".
So, just give them time.


But the labs DID die.... not really a great analogy. Unless I missed someone in 2017 saying the BD labs were coming back?
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby QueenCheetah93 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:05 pm

Fruityrumpusasshole wrote:
QueenCheetah93 wrote:
Fruityrumpusasshole wrote:Everyone said they were phasing out the labs, and one of the mods came in and said "nope, we're working on them".
So, just give them time.


But the labs DID die.... not really a great analogy. Unless I missed someone in 2017 saying the BD labs were coming back?

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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Dorito » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:21 pm

I noticed this, too. I hope they're just improving it, but the fact that they wanted to get rid of it before has me nervous.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Landailyn » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:17 am

Personally, im thinking they are trying to distance themselves from the furry community. I noticed the revamped website was lacking the artist paintings of the characters the dildos go to and the story descriptions as well. My partner said if i log in (i dont actually have an account on the ordering site) i can toggle an option that will show the character pictures, but default its shut off. I think they are trying to appeal to a wider crowd and attempting to downplay the "furry" aspect of some of the toys and upplay the "fantasy" aspect. The forums have a strong furry presence, so i would not be surprised if they either phased it out or tried to limit the amount of furry-ness.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby QueenCheetah93 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:04 pm

Landailyn wrote:Personally, im thinking they are trying to distance themselves from the furry community. I noticed the revamped website was lacking the artist paintings of the characters the dildos go to and the story descriptions as well. My partner said if i log in (i dont actually have an account on the ordering site) i can toggle an option that will show the character pictures, but default its shut off. I think they are trying to appeal to a wider crowd and attempting to downplay the "furry" aspect of some of the toys and upplay the "fantasy" aspect. The forums have a strong furry presence, so i would not be surprised if they either phased it out or tried to limit the amount of furry-ness.


Like.. I can kind of see how they would try this, but I gotta argue that if you're a company, producing animal inspired dongs, then it's kinda hard to say "nah this is not "furry" in any way shape or form". You just released a dog dick buddy. Call it fantasy all ya want but... sounds furry to meeee :misc6: :nerdy:
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby yuzupo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm

Yeah, but it sounds kinda funny though.
They want an audience of EVERYONE to buy toys, so they would seem "normal" and make hella big money (like ALL businesses do), but that doesn't take away that BAD DRAGON'S toys are literally:
Wolf dick
Dolphin dick
Turtle monster dick
Alien dick
Egg!
Pokemon salamander/lizard (???) dick
Tentacle
Orc dick
Alien dick
Demon... dick
Fox dick
Water buffalo dick
Star wars dick
Reptile dick
Unicorn dick
Mythical something something dick
Dragon dick
T rex dick
Raptor dick
Triceratops dick
Snow Leopard dick
Wyvern dick
?!? something something dick
Wyrm dick
Dog dick
Wyvern dick
Mystical horse dick
Mystical wolf dick
Plant dick
Dragon dick
Horse dick
Horse dick
ACTUAL DRAGON
Snake dick
Dragon dick
Horse dog dick
Alien dick
Dragon dick
Chimera dick
Dragon dick
Cat dog dick
Dragon dick
Dragon dick
Dragon tongue
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Dragon dick
Dragon dick
Dog dick
Dog dragon dick
Dragon tail
Chicken dragon dick
Gryphon dick
Alien bug dick
Dragon dick
Wolf dick
Dragon dick
Tentacle
Dog dick
Dragon dick
Dragon dick

And these are just the dildos!
People are going to see the TOTALLY A NORMAL SEX TOY SHOP vibe and then look at the products. Shit is all full of animals, lol. As a consumer (and not even a furry), I don't see the point in distancing. Every corner of sex/sextoy culture has a crowd of shitheads. Shying away from furry branding JUST BECAUSE is just... aaaaaha. Hoping that the whole distance thing is for a different reason entirely that hasn't been said. Maybe the new "furry" button wording being changed to "fantasy" is just to include scalies, avians, aquarian lovers without taking up as much space. Possibly the new opt-in button being there at all was to lessen complaints from ABSOLUTELY APPALLED NON-FURRY NORMAL HUMANS just wanting a large/unconventionally shaped sex toy.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Kami123 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:49 am

This behaviour by the staff reminds me of an Uncle Kage talk in which he explains how NOT to behave and pander to a wider audience or the public if you are a furry, create furry art etc. Ignoring your roots, cringe-worthy hiding the sex and negative and kinky aspects of it is a No. You should rather do the opposite: Be positive and show that it's all wonderful and that the furry culture is awesome and the furry fans are nothing but awesome people (mostly).
Instead of "nothing to see here", you should rather embrace all aspects of it and present that to the public to make them understand.

And tbh... This is a sex shop. It is content for adults. If somebody goes "ewww" just because he / she sees a naked and fully erect dog or dragon drawing next to a dog or dragon dong, or a hot anthro horse next to a horse penetrable, this individual has issues, not the furry community here. The shop's name is "Bad Dragon" for a reason...

I don't know how US entrepreneurs think and I do not want to attack anybody. Please don't get me wrong. However, I, having a lot of german entrepreneurs around, have the opinion that downplaying the furry aspect is the wrong way and that desperately wanting to grow by ~50% each year or so does not need to happen for a company to be healthy and profitable.
Sacrificing your core customers is a NO, at that.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Macchina » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:40 am

Going to play devil's advocate here.

To be honest, I wouldn't say that the majority of what BD is doing this year is bad... Overall, the new website is 400% better than it was before. Features that we've been begging for for *years* have finally been implemented - the actual size/size comparison tool, the ability to view any toy in any color at any angle... Large, borderless product icons featuring clear, consistent photos.

I think the reasoning behind hiding the character art has less to do with 'furry-shame' and more with freedom of imagination. For the longest time, there were some BD products that I simply wouldn't look at because they were inseparably associated with a species that I didn't necessarily like. Now that they have re-vamped all of the product pages with information only about the toys themselves, I've been forced to see these toys as distinct shapes rather than as 'x' species. I've even made a purchase because of this. I believe that the option to toggle 'ye-olde product pages' on and off is a fair and equitable solution.

I do think that BD could improve slightly by adding an option to view the 2D/3D product renderings in a larger pane or perhaps full-screen. It would also be cool if the 'Actual-Size Tool' was capable of 3D view - either by manipulating each toy independently, or having them all linked on an axis.

As far as the forums: I don't know. I don't want to speculate. Either they'll stay or they'll go. If the big 'V' ultimately decides that it is time, then at least it is a much more dignified and honorable way for it to end than before.

On the other hand, I do think that BD should analyze the feasibility of bringing back custom splits, fades, and split-fades to all toys without sacrificing profit margins: I realize that the reasoning for eliminating these color choices was higher failure rates, longer cycle times, and more wastage - but that can be compensated by raising prices for these specific options proportionately. If worse comes to worst, offer these options on a similar basis to Legacy toys - special order, 150% cost, no warranty. (That's all the more I'm going to say, I promise. I just want to bring this idea to light.)

I'm not trying to upset anyone with this post, but I think it is only fair that all perspectives are represented in order to have a discussion that is grounded in reason.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby The Truth Teller » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:12 am

I like the new website look though I have been having problems sometimes on mobile. However I also agree that it will be ridiculous if BD is trying to move away from it's furry roots. They'd already did that a bit awhile ago when they moved character art to the last picture in the line up so you wouldn't see it if you didn't click on it. Admittedly not a bad idea, however since then they haven't really made any new artwork and apparently are trying to rid it all together which I find it rather disappointing.

Another thing I am worried about is their XL toys seems to be getting smaller. I mean the XL of Diego and Kona don't even break 10 inches in length, Zaratan doesn't even break 8. Plus the Circumference has gone down on their XL's too. Basically their XL's are becoming their new larges it seem to me.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby TheOtherDude » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:15 am

I heard the legacy L Chance was about as big as the current XL models, so that would fit into the picture.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby The Truth Teller » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:24 am

TheOtherDude wrote:I heard the legacy L Chance was about as big as the current XL models, so that would fit into the picture.


They did that a long time ago though, I mean more like the really new stuff like the last two years maybe? The chance thing I kinda understand as they were trying to add more sizes in and the Large Legacy chance was still pretty damn big, so making it an XL was understandable.

But now the newer XLs they have seem pretty small compared to what they used to have. You are right though, the legacy Large chance was about the same size as they new XL, I think actually slightly bigger but the XL is slightly wider around the Medial ring if I am not mistaken. I have both of them.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby thesharkwhisperer » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:35 am

I am probably the only one who thinks the website looks more professional/less fetishy than before, despite many people saying it is more skeevy now. I like furry porn a lot but to me having it thrown in your face first thing on a product page and having to click away to see an actual picture of the product you were going to buy felt way more fetishy than the current state of the website. Like "look at that sexy beast don't you want to do naughty things with that creature ; )" well first I want to see what the toy looks like thanks :laugh:

As for the link well, we'll have to see. I don't see how new customers might find it but since there are new posts in the "new members" thread, I would say it's possible.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby Tempest » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:27 am

thesharkwhisperer wrote:I am probably the only one who thinks the website looks more professional/less fetishy than before, despite many people saying it is more skeevy now. I like furry porn a lot but to me having it thrown in your face first thing on a product page and having to click away to see an actual picture of the product you were going to buy felt way more fetishy than the current state of the website. Like "look at that sexy beast don't you want to do naughty things with that creature ; )" well first I want to see what the toy looks like thanks :laugh:

As for the link well, we'll have to see. I don't see how new customers might find it but since there are new posts in the "new members" thread, I would say it's possible.

I don't think you're alone - everyone was really excited about the new website until it was released, only then did the complaining start. :stick:

I like furry porn too, but I also like the choice to make it optional. Liking some furry porn doesn't mean liking all furry porn, and the art isn't a good predictor of whether I'll like a toy. I love Kona's art but have no interest in the toy, while Flint's art does nothing for me but the toy is one of my favorites.
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Re: Forums no longer linked on the front page of Bad Dragon

Postby karla-chan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:29 am

I really hope they don't get rid of the forum because I have actually learned a lot being here. If it wasn't for the forum I might not have thrown away all my old unsafe sex toys and started again. Which meant more BD toys.

I do think it's a shame they got rid of the art completely on the new website, because I found it cheesey and funny in the best kind of way, and would gossip about it to friends. Friends gossiping about BD was how I had heard of it in the first place. I do hope BD keeps its roots, and sense of humour.

However I think the new site made a lot of changes I do like, especially to the adoptions and being able to break things down and not have to scroll through everything.

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