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Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Grigori » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:47 am

So let's start with some definitions, we can adjust them if needed, just so we start in the same page:

Surface texture: being the "roughness" of the finish of the toy, can be of several grain intensities, from a shiny smooth to coarse sandpaper feel, printer texture included here.

Shape texture: Anything other than a tubular shape, ridges, knots, twists, things that make the toy feel unique in its design and add shape complexity.

So, I would like to know what are your preferences on those features? And what are your main form of use and size?

Since I do mostly XL anally, I prefer a rough surface texture and lots of shape texture, knots and ridges really help stimulation of the p-spot.

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But that brings us to the Lube factor.

For silicone toys, recommended lubes can be either water or oil based. And the lube feel is equally important to the enjoyment of the toy as those features above. I'm constantly researching lube alternatives that are cheaper and potentially healthier. I follow with a bit of my own experience:

Water based lubes are my personal choice. Yet they have a range of compositions that reflect in usability. I tried:
  • BD Cum Lube, J-lube (both polyethylene oxide/PEG based);
  • K-Y and a few alternative over the counter brands (hydroxyethyl cellulose);
  • sugar base DIY such as corn starch, xanthan gum and flaxseed;
  • and most recently a local brand of medical grade lube for anal and vaginal exams (PEG and carbomer).

Out of all those, in my experience, corn starch is probably the cheapest, healthier alternative (if you don't have diabetes), and it works wonders with coarse surface texture and allows to feel all of shape textures. But it wipes clean when inserting smooth surface toys, is short lived and requires copious amounts.

Next, the medical grade lube had the best results. It is actually more of a gel than a liquid lube, sticking to both smooth and coarse surfaced toys. It lasts for long, has neutral pH and balanced osmolarity. Overall feels great. But again, if you are very health conscious PEG and carbomer polymers can be a turn off. I can't really recommend being a local brand but maybe your doctor can offer some insight in this class of lubes for exams. But PM me if you feel like trying this particular one, maybe we can work shipping out, likely it is not going to be cheap to you.

BD Cum lube follows, and works well all around. But I noticed it burns a bit in the beginning and has a numbing effect on long sessions. Maybe it is just me, but it could be related to wrong pH and osmolarity. J-lube is very similar in feel, works great all around, but the mixing is a pain and makes even worst on osmolarity aspect. Worst, it is veterinary grade, which implies risks of contamination and poorer standards of quality overall. Both are PEG based.

K-Y and alternatives of hydroxyethyl cellulose are not even worth, expensive and drying really fast. Hydroxyethyl cellulose seems a better alternative than PEG though. Flaxseed is cool but it is too runny and doesn't stick to anything. Xanthan gun in water is a pain to mix and seemingly requires glycerin which I have not yet tried.

I have not much experience with oil-based other than coconut oil, making a mess and having a hard time cleaning up. It seemed to work best with toys with smooth surface texture, while more coarse toys became too abrasive. I heard Crisco is the best, but it is not available where I live. Maybe someone can weight in favor of this class of lubes.

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The TLDR concluding point is: there is an interaction between toy textures (surface and shape) and lube types which will affect your enjoyment in a session. Maybe you had one toy that didn't work out, know that it can have a completely different feel with another lube option.

Finally, have you tried different lube alternatives? And which work best with your favorite texture features? Looking at the composition of lubes do you feel major differences between brands you tried?
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:37 pm

With what you said about the CumLube; I had an experience with the clear, recently, that concerned me a bit.

Normally, for anal play, I can only do minis and some smalls. The largest I've ever taken, and it did hurt a bit, was my small Bumble to the hilt. Those times, I was using Sliquid Sassy.

The time I tried some clear CumLube while playing back there, it was like my butt stopped feeling anything. I took a small Crackers to the hilt without discomfort. No warm up. That same day, I took a medium Lenneth balls deep. I couldn't feel anything. I actually posted a concern on another forum, wondering if BD had added something new, a numbing agent perhaps, into the CL and neglected to put it on the label. I should not have been able to take something that size while feeling *nothing* whatsoever.

While I doubt BD snuck anything into their lube, you definitely aren't the first person to say it's made you feel numb back there.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby KnotyDes » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:48 pm

I never had any issues with cumlube. well other than pumping a bunch into me and then the lube finally working its way out hours later at an opportune time. :blush:

I mostly use J lube now. Since i mostly toy in the bathroom i just hydrate the powder or i might mix some with water in a plastic pot i keep in the shower. Very rarely do i mix and microwave a big batch. It lubricates well for basically all my needs, Depth, Girth or heavy, fast thrusting. the only downside i notice is post session dehydration (I'm talking very post, more like next day) if I dont clean out well after and re-hydrate well enough. Someone also got me thinking of crashing after your body absorbs all the sugars, which kinda makes sense.

as for oil based toy, yes the oil does a good job of keeping very smooth toys slick/ staying on the toy. But for toys like XL Pearce or Axel, things like coconut oil or even The Butters is insufficient lubrication for me. oof Pearce is real bad, it may squeegee off most lubes, but at least J Lube or cumlube will work its way into me or around the toy. I like oil based lube for Toys like Chance or other smaller smooth toys that I can take it slow with. Clean up is still pretty bad, i don't know how people thing C oil is easy to clean off. maybe it just because I've never had to clean off Crisco or something similar to it :mystery:
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Starrystrawberry » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:06 pm

I'd really recommend reading Dangerous Lilly's article on lubes: http://dangerouslilly.com/lube-guide/

I'm currently not really happy with the lube I have- it's called Shibari and I got it off of Amazon when I first started buying sex toys. I've used BD's cum lube to squirt into me with the cumtube, but not really as a lubricant itself. When I finally get through the lube I've got, I'm planning on getting some water-based lube from Siliquid since it's one of the more body-safe options.

Even though I only toy vaginally, lube is still pretty important to me since my vagina is pretty small and even the small sizes mean that I need lube. Like I said, I don't like the one I use now so I'm excited to get through it so I can get another one without feeling like I'm wasting it ^^;

For surface texture, I won't use it if it's not smooth. It just doesn't feel safe to me and I have enough non-genital related health issues without adding infection in my genitals to the mix. But as far as SHAPE goes, I love knots and ridges and such. All my favorite toys and 90% of the ones I buy have a non-conventional shape.

As far as preferred size... I have a few larger toys like tongues and tentacles on my list for fantasy's sake, but like I said my vagina is pretty small so the bulk of my toys are smalls and minis ^^
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Grimly Fiendish » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:02 pm

Starrystrawberry wrote:I'm currently not really happy with the lube I have- it's called Shibari and I got it off of Amazon when I first started buying sex toys.


I bought Shibari lube too, it was thin and wouldn't stay on the toy. Would not buy again.

I'm not a fan of most water based lubes, they seem to be absorbed easily and they also get squeegeed off easily. Sliquid H2O was the best one I tried, and I still would not buy it again.

My favorite lube is Boy Butter, it's hydrogenated oil (oil whipped together with water, I think) so it's thick like whipped butter (not runny) and washes off easily. It's similar to The Butters but cheaper, and cleans off easier. (I did like The Butters too).

For really challenging situations (toys that barely fit) I recommend using an oil based lube (the Butters or Boy Butter) AND J-Lube (or BD Cum Lube) at the same time. For example, use a lube shooter to apply Cum Lube inside you, but also coat your toy with a generous amount of the Butters. Or vice versa. This combination approach has worked well for me. (I've tried actually mixing the different lubes together, and it seems to work better if I coat the toy with one type of lube, and coat my butt with with another type of lube).

(Note: this is for butt usage. Vaginal users may have a different experience)
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Rainbow Dasher » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:47 am

J-Lube contains sugar and should NOT be used vaginally unless you're into UTI's and yeast infections.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby toyfun » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:43 pm

Sliquid is a nice lube. If Sliquid was cheaper I would buy more. The Citric Acid in it is kinda interesting as it warns me when stretching occurs, and it also stimulates sensation. It stays slick for me longer than other lubes I've tried which include J-Lube, Spunk, ID Pleasure lube, Wet, ID Oil based, and a few others too far back to remember, sorry.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Grigori » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:56 pm

Rainbow Dasher wrote:With what you said about the CumLube; I had an experience with the clear, recently, that concerned me a bit.

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While I doubt BD snuck anything into their lube, you definitely aren't the first person to say it's made you feel numb back there.


I had this feeling with both clear and white cum lubes. It takes a while to happen 30+ min of a session. While it has a light burning sensation in the first insertion. I don't think BD snuck anything either.


KnotyDes wrote: :words:
the only downside i notice is post session dehydration (I'm talking very post, more like next day) if I dont clean out well after and re-hydrate well enough. Someone also got me thinking of crashing after your body absorbs all the sugars, which kinda makes sense.
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That is what I think, both with BD cum Lube and specially when mixing J-lube, It is hard to get the osmolarity right. Once your body dehydrates nerve sensitivity might be impaired, thus the numbing sensation for me. I also notice post session dehydration with J-lube and the same numbing effect as with Cum Lube. Some people might be more or less sensitive to it, and getting numb faster or not at all.

Starrystrawberry wrote:I'd really recommend reading Dangerous Lilly's article on lubes: http://dangerouslilly.com/lube-guide/
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Exactly, very good to bring this up. I read this post about a year ago, and kept what I learned. But couldn't remember where it was. It has a loot of good insights.

Starrystrawberry wrote:For surface texture, I won't use it if it's not smooth. It just doesn't feel safe to me and I have enough non-genital related health issues without adding infection in my genitals to the mix. But as far as SHAPE goes, I love knots and ridges and such. All my favorite toys and 90% of the ones I buy have a non-conventional shape.

As far as preferred size... I have a few larger toys like tongues and tentacles on my list for fantasy's sake, but like I said my vagina is pretty small so the bulk of my toys are smalls and minis ^^

Awesome! :excited:

Grimly Fiendish wrote: :words:
For really challenging situations (toys that barely fit) I recommend using an oil based lube (the Butters or Boy Butter) AND J-Lube (or BD Cum Lube) at the same time. For example, use a lube shooter to apply Cum Lube inside you, but also coat your toy with a generous amount of the Butters. Or vice versa. This combination approach has worked well for me. (I've tried actually mixing the different lubes together, and it seems to work better if I coat the toy with one type of lube, and coat my butt with with another type of lube).


That is an interesting approach, I might try mixing things, an oil lube first might prevent dehydration...
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby toyfun » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:28 am

How long can lubes last in your system? Having a hard time cleaning off J-lube from my toys I figured it would probably stay in my system a long time. That being one of the reasons I stopped using J-lube.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Grigori » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:19 am

toyfun wrote:How long can lubes last in your system? Having a hard time cleaning off J-lube from my toys I figured it would probably stay in my system a long time. That being one of the reasons I stopped using J-lube.


That is a good question. Depends on the lube composition. For J-lube I don't think the body absorbs or breaks PEG so as long as it takes for poop to drag it out.. But if the body does absorb PEG there could be the issues of bio-accumulation where small amounts stay in your system and accumulate overtime. Again, there are no studies or anything that I'm aware of about lube and long term usage, specially for things that are meant for veterinary use and not weekly or daily human usage.

If you want to be as safe as possible can be, the best would be sticking to something medical grade or at least food grade, so you know it is either human approved or that the body can absorb and break sugars.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Harbenz » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:19 am

I don't tried many lubes, my first proper lube was one from Amazon (Super Slik) and I don't remember much, I think it wasn't sticky enough and dries pretty fast, also has 3 different parabens. After it I got my first bottle of J-lube, which last until today (3 years!). I like how slippery and versatile is, but yeah, it leaves some dry-dehydrated feeling inside the day after, I think is because sucrose, because the active agent is used as laxative via oral, so it means the body does not absorb it. To stabilize the PH the cumlube has citric acid, so I add to the J-lube a drops of lemon when I can. I've seen an account on Twitter promotionating a copycat J-lube called X-lube (and has some photos of it appearing in some pro-porn clips) but I don't know what they pretend, because I searched and it is not longer sold anywhere and their web is down always :mystery: I just received "for free" 2x 4oz of Buy Butter, which I like to try with my EE Corn! :stick: but... it worries me that it's made of trans fats (idk if being used anally could be better or worse in health matter) and also has phenyl trimethicone (an anti-foaming agent), so has silicone and can affect the toy's surface. It's a small amount, so meh. Maybe I post my experience when I try it. I'd like to try coconut oil, though I don't like the coconut scent, also in my country is not... well, maybe is not expensive, but is not cheap either. I need to look for food recipes so I can justify the purchase, hah.

About textures, usually I rather some irregular surface imitating skin, to create some friction and retain the lube better, but not too much that could exfoliate your inners. Some days though I'm more sensible and I want smoother toys. Whoever if a toy is very smooth it has to be very firm to work with me, soft and smooth though in my mind sounds amazing in reallity is numb and boring. Shapes, I like it all, but not curves. A sligthly curve is great so I can rotate it and get different feelings, but a sharp curve is uncomfortable. I need more different knotted toys.
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Postby Bye Curiosity » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:31 pm

I think because I feel so new to bad dragon (I placed my first order two years ago), what with what started off as only have one, maybe two, slowly turned into owning almost 10 due to the clearance/adoption page being handy and fast, I don’t really have a preference to texture, as I kinda like both, depending on the product. If it’s smooth, I want to be something. If there’s a lot of texture, I wanna feel more pleasure than pain, and if it’s a little too big, I just want it to get the job done.

Now as far as lube goes, I’ve tried four, but I wanna talk about two of them, as they are made specifically for toys. For the longest time, I’ve used a little bottle of frolic by pink that I got from amazon. It was decent, but it wasn’t enough for tako/tentacle. I ended up buying a fat bottle of sliquid sassy (that I read about by reading here, Thank you, forum). I highly recommend that. It’s thick and smooth and I’ve had two times where I was feeling uncomfortable because I didn’t use it rom didn’t use enough, because I switched the placement, so I add some and it made all the difference in the world.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby roseypearl » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:15 pm

My experience with The Butters was not good. I'm not sure if I got a bad batch, or it just doesn't work for me. I felt like I could never get enough to make it slick enough for me, although that might be because i'm used to water based lubes so i'm used to a different sensation. But it caused burning for me anally and vaginally. Not allergic to anything in it that I know of
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Postby Grimly Fiendish » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:22 pm

Harbenz wrote: After it I got my first bottle of J-lube, which last until today (3 years!). I like how slippery and versatile is, but yeah, it leaves some dry-dehydrated feeling inside the day after, I think is because sucrose, because the active agent is used as laxative via oral, so it means the body does not absorb it.


I think J-Lube is "osmotic" (absorbs water) so try mixing it a little more "wet" (soupy). You could also re-charge it (during play) with a little bit of water (wet hand, for example). If it's really bad for you, you can flush it out afterwards. You should also be well hydrated (drink plenty of water). Play can be physically demanding, it's good to have water available to drink.

One time, I experimented by sprinkling a little J-Lube directly on the toy. It was very drying, and also felt gritty. I will never do that again!

Harbenz wrote:I just received "for free" 2x 4oz of Buy Butter, which I like to try with my EE Corn! :stick: but... it worries me that it's made of trans fats (idk if being used anally could be better or worse in health matter) and also has phenyl trimethicone (an anti-foaming agent), so has silicone and can affect the toy's surface. It's a small amount, so meh. Maybe I post my experience when I try it.


I haven't noticed any issues with the small amounts of silicone derivative in Boy Butter (it's my main lube). No changes to my toys at all. Ingredients are listed in order of largest amount to smallest amount. I've been using Boy Butter for a couple of years. I think it's safe to use with silicone toys. The manufacturer says "Safe on all non-Latex toys".
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Harbenz » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:36 am

Grimly Fiendish wrote: :words:

My mixs are not very thick, but I also don't like to make it very light. I do the trick of the water sprayer to use less lube. I don't dare to make another enema after play, because I think it could be worse. I usually do the powder over the toy thing and it's not a problem for me, it's just slowly to play because I have to "massage" thoroughly the toy until the lube is ready.
I used the boy butter in a session and was nice, more friction/dragging but not in a bad way (I'm too used to how slippery J-lube is, I guess). I should use more amounts because last less than I thought. As is not "silicone based" I guess is not a problem for the toys, yes.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby toyfun » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:54 pm

Is Albolene safe to use as a lube?

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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Grimly Fiendish » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:11 pm

Harbenz wrote:I usually do the powder over the toy thing and it's not a problem for me, it's just slowly to play because I have to "massage" thoroughly the toy until the lube is ready.


If you are bothered by the feeling of dryness the next day, I feel certain it's because of using concentrated J-Lube in this way. J-Lube absorbs a lot of water (my mix is about 3/4 teaspoon J-Lube to 1/4 cup water, which makes a thick lube). "Dry" or very thick J-Lube will find more water to absorb, including any water that is inside you. In that way, J-Lube can be very drying.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby MachineDoll » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:08 am

I've used BD Cumlube exclusively for the last year or so, and have not had any "numbing" issues others have reported. If it did have any numbing effect, I would get rid of it immediately, as that is a great way to get yourself into trouble quick. Lubes like Anal Eze that prevent your body from being able to tell you when enough is enough can be dangerous.
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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby Padre » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:16 am

MachineDoll wrote:I've used BD Cumlube exclusively for the last year or so, and have not had any "numbing" issues others have reported. If it did have any numbing effect, I would get rid of it immediately, as that is a great way to get yourself into trouble quick. Lubes like Anal Eze that prevent your body from being able to tell you when enough is enough can be dangerous.


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Re: Let's Talk Toy Texture & Lube Types

Postby toyfun » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:11 pm

So after about 3 weeks of infrequent use of Sliquid H20, I'm noticing the Citric Acid is giving me issues. Anyone notice a body wide slight burn?
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