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Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:20 pm

Hiya folks!

I'm taking Varkas suggestion that I should post this for the general public as well.

I took the time for Varka to write down something for all the current and potential german customers that want to order from BD and don't have an idea what they should expect when dealing with customs, shipping and fees.

Hoping that most of it is understandable, language-wise and theoretically, if not, you can hook me up, I'll gladly help if the time and my knowledge allows it ;)

To start up, the postal service in Germany which delivers international packages is named DHL, just as UK buyers have Parcelforce for example.


The sending process and customs handling

After ordering from BD and getting all the information a buyer needs:
    - tracking information and
    - the invoice (most important),
the first thing to do is: wait.

Yes, waiting, until the package gets dispatched from an international airport (for germans mainly LA California) in the US. When it gets dispatched from the US airport, the package gets a matchcode number (for DHL) and a german customer can track the package in two different ways now:
    - via the USPS-website or
    - via the DHL-tracking website http://www.dhl.de (which will be more accurate now, since the package left the US and USPS interprets some stages of delivery differently).

When it arrives at Frankfurt airport it gets sent directly into Germanys main customs office (HZA = Hauptzollamt Frankfurt).

The customs agents there will check the invoice of the package, meaning they will open the package if they don't find any invoice or payment information on the outside of the box (for example in a clear foil). As BD doesn't put any invoices on the outside of their packages, this will most definately happen.

Generally, when ordering internationally there is a chance that this step gets overlooked.
Packages from Japan for example or other countries sometimes get shipped directly to the buyer, without customs checking the contents. But with packages from the US this chance is very very very low.

From the 8 times I ordered from BD and many orders from US-eBay, all packages were checked and hold by customs, so I can safely assume that all packages BD sents to german customers will get checked, mainly because BD toys are expensive and so they overlap a certain monetary value which I will explain later.

After checking the invoice the customs agents will ship the package via DHL to the nearest national customs office near a buyers location. When it arrives there, the customs agents -there- will send an information letter to the buyer that there is a package for him and that he should provide 2 copies of the invoice and the PayPal receipt.

The buyer can then chose between two methods:
    - go directly to the customs office and hand over the copies of the invoice and PayPal receipt or
    - sent the copies of the invoice and PayPal receipt via postal delivery to the customs office.

First method:
The good thing about the first method is, that the buyer can get the package directly when he hands over the needed information and pays the fees. The "bad" thing is, that you most certainly have to open the package there and show the customs agents the contents of the package, so they can verify them with the contents printed on the invoice.
So, if you're a shy guy this could be embarassing. The very first time I ordered from BD I talked myself out of it so I didn't have to open it, the second time it didn't work :)

Second method:
Personally I always do the second method for most of my international orders, because the opening hours of my customs office overlap with my work time. The very bad thing about the second method is the additional wait time a buyer has to endure (sometimes around or more than 3 weeks!), because after you sent in the copies of the invoice and PayPal receipt, your national customs office will send the package + invoices and PayPal receipt back to one of two main customs offices for processing the fees.
For me for example it means the package gets sent back 500km, gets processed, get sent back 500km to me, not exaggerating here.
DHL pays the fees to customs for the buyer -now- because the buyer has provided the invoices, PayPal receipt and did verify that he is indeed the receipient of said package. They can't do that before they aren't absolutely sure that the buyer is indeed the receipient of the package, because then they risk paying for someone that could possibly not exist.

After processing by the customs agent, the package gets sent from one of the two main customs offices via DHL directly to the buyer. It's best to check http://www.dhl.de for any status updates regularly so you know when to expect the package. DHL hands out the package to the buyer and demands the fees back they paid to customs.

In short:

- Dispatching from LA
- Arriving in Germany
- Customs sending out note to buyer to provide invoice and payment information
- Buyer either goes to customs office, pays fees and gets package or
-- sends invoice and payment information via postal delivery and waits additional 2-3 weeks
-- pays the fees directly to DHL when the package is delivered

Note:
DHL doesn't add any additional fees (unlike Parcelforce for example) if you chose the second method, even if they have to drive from top to bottom around Germany. You only have to pay the fees the customs office processes.

Sales tax and customs fees

Germans like bureaucracy...I hate it from the bottom of my stomach and sincerly wish for an easier tax system.

But there is a simple value rule when importing things internationally to Germany:

If value (in Euros):
    - 0€ - 21€ --> No sales tax and no customs fees
    - 22€ - 150€ --> 19% OR 7% sales tax
    - 151€ - open end --> 19% OR 7% sales tax + variable customs fees for x€

BD toys will always fall under the 19% sales tax routine, because the cheapest toy is already 60$ (Wallaby).
Books, pamphlets and everthing that contains written stuff would be 7%.

So it can be safely said that a german customer always has to pay the 19% sales tax no matter what if they order at least -one- toy. If they buy more, the possibility of additional customs fees rise as well.

If they only order, for example, 1-4 bottles of lube it gets complicated, because then the -customs agent- can decide if he adds up the value of the lube bottles + the shipping costs or not.
If he does, the buyer has to pay 19% tax, if not, the lube bottles are free of charge, but this can't be predicted.

As I wrote above, customs fees will be charged when the combined item value is higher than 151€.
But here lies a very big problem, you can't predict -what- customs fees will be added, because, just like the example with the lube bottles, this is in the hands of the customs agent that processes the package.
The customs agent can decide in what category he packs the "silicone sculptures".
Depending on that, the outcoming customs fees will be added upon the sales tax.

For BD toys it can be either:
    - Plastic / Artificial products = 6,0% up to a value of 200€ (mostly used when ordering from BD)
    - Cosmetic products = 0,0% (basically no custom fees, had this two times while ordering from BD)
    - A flat rate value of xx€ (had this only once, this was around 19€)

That means the following (example with my order that is currently on the way):
My order consists of 6 toys, total = 882,95$ = 650,65€

This means that I have to pay:
    - 19% sales tax on 650,65€ = 123,62€ (167,75$) definately, plus

    - 6,0% Customs fee for plastic products on 200€ = 12€ (16,2ß$) OR
    - 19€ Customs flat rate fee = 19€ (25,75$) OR
    - 0€ Cosmetic products

Sales tax 123,62€ + Plastic products 12€ = 135,62€ (185,40$)
Sales tax 123,62€ + Flat rate fees 19€ = 142,62€ (193,94$)
Sales tax 123,62€ + Cosmetic Products 0€ = 123,62€ (167,75$)

These are the outcomes of the sales tax and possible customs fees I'm going to have to pay. You can see that the only thing you definately can predict is the sales tax of 19%, everything else is just "luck", if you happen to get your package categorized as "cosmetic products" for a 0% customs fee.

On a sidenote for the 7% sales tax on terms of the calendar BD is selling:
I don't know the exact contents of the calender, but I suppose there are explicit and pornographic images inside. Normally customs agents don't give a damn about this, but by german law it is forbidden to import pornographic images and/or magazines into Germany. This is a legal grey-zone, in which, again, the processing customs agent decides if he sends the package with the calendar to the customer or sends it to court for prosecution. I personally never had something like this happen to me. I import "naughty" furry mangas from Japan myself and they always went through without any problems, even got inspected once, but the possibility is still there, so I don't know if this is valueable information for you or not. The "baddest" thing that could result from a prosecution in a case like this would be a judgemental warning and a small fine to pay.

I talked to DHL, mailed to my national customs office, main customs office and even my local prosecutors office about this case, even submitted example pictures (in the caliber of the yiffy character art from BDs toys). All I got was that they couldn't help or tell me, IF such a thing would get prosecuted or not...helpful as always, welcome to german bureaucracy.
So the buyer himself is always at risk when importing stuff like this, keep that in mind.

If you need any more information or clarification about german import laws, laws in general, customs or delivery, feel free to contact me, I'm always happy to help!

Hope this helps potential buyers and gives them some definite answers to questions they'll have :)



EDIT - Addendum - FedEx

Since some time now BD added the option to deliver the packages via FedEx.

Personally I haven't yet ordered something via FedEx, so I'm compiling a small overview from peoples experiences, who already purchased from BD and let FedEx deliver their goods.

The most positive and luxury thing for customers choosing FedEx as their courier is that FedEx handles customs at the german border for them, making the order and delivery process now very very easy! It looks like you don't have to handle anything customs related anymore, FedEx does everything for you and delivers the package directly to your doorstep.

This service isn't for free of course, so FedEx asks for a small fee for handling your customs declarations which will be added ontop of your invoice.

There are two sending options:
- Eco
- Priority

--> From the name alone one can abbreviate that "Priority" will be handled faster, since it also costs a bit more than Eco, it is compareable to USPS Express.

--> "Eco" would be the "normal" way of sending the package, just like USPS Priority it is a bit cheaper but takes longer.

A little advice on the sidelines:
Since the upgrade to Priority isn't a huge leap in case of price, it would always be better to chose Priority over Eco. If you don't care about time and when to expect the package, you're service of choice will be "Eco".

FedEx doesn't operate via postal-shops like Hermes or DHL "PaketShops".
If you aren't at home when your package is going to be delivered, you will have a notice in your mail where you can call their customer-hotline and make up to three additional delivery dates until it gets send back.


And that takes care of the update :)

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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby SemJay » Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:07 pm

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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby tashi » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:07 am

Hey, I've got a question!

Just got my notice from the customs today.

I'll definitely go and fetch the package myself, I don't care whether I'll have to open it or not. However, I'm a bit confused because on the customs declaration it says 4 Silicon Scultures for $ 128.00 and $ 85.24 postage fees.

What I have ordered is the Anthro Mare, 2 Bad Dragon Pens, 1 Bad Dragon Pin Badge, 4 Durex Extra Safe Condoms and 18 bottles of Cumlube (2 8-packs).

And I paid $ 210 + $90.35 shipping cost.

So should I bring the original receipts or will this pose any problems for Bad Dragon?

Maybe you can also offer shipping via UPS, I'd pay $ 20 extra, because my friend said they'd do all that stuff for you. Or make an opt-in indiscrete shipping where you just attach the invoice on the outside.

I have a strong self-esteem so I really don't care. I'd even tell my mum "Oh well, I didn't talk to you about those dildos I found in your bedroom, so please leave me alone"

Okay, I can't fetch the package before Monday, anyways, but please someone tell me if I'm right to just print 2 copies of the invoice and Paypal receipt and go to the customs office or if I should modify / rig something to match the amount on the box. Though it'll be hard to hide all those bottles of Cumlube :-) . But good thing the Dollar is so weak that means I have to pay less. Just 150 € so even if I have to pay fees for plastic as well it'll be less than 50 €. I'll just take 50 € with me that should be enough.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:30 am

Hey, I've got a question!

Just got my notice from the customs today.

I'll definitely go and fetch the package myself, I don't care whether I'll have to open it or not. However, I'm a bit confused because on the customs declaration it says 4 Silicon Scultures for $ 128.00 and $ 85.24 postage fees.

What I have ordered is the Anthro Mare, 2 Bad Dragon Pens, 1 Bad Dragon Pin Badge, 4 Durex Extra Safe Condoms and 18 bottles of Cumlube (2 8-packs).

And I paid $ 210 + $90.35 shipping cost.

So should I bring the original receipts or will this pose any problems for Bad Dragon?


You have no other choice as to bring the original invoice and the PayPal receipt to the customs office and explain what happened. Otherwise you won't get the package from the customs agent.

What's written on the customs declaration doesn't really matter, as they check the package and the invoices and can therefore verify if everything is there or not, so don't worry :)

Why the numbers don't match I can't tell you, maybe someone in the shipping department who prints the labels wasn't paying attention and mixed numbers?
The shipping costs are always different from invoice and customs declaration, because BD has a "fixed quote-system" for their postal rates in their current cart-webshop-system.

Another thing could be that BD tried to "safe you customs fees" by reducing the prices, meaning "tricking customs", as some international dealers try - sometimes it works and german customs believes the "faked invoice", sometimes not ;) But I don't think BD started to do that, they never did that for my last 6-7 orders.

Or worst case, they mixed up orders completely, meaning, you got a wrong package coming your way. Better look into the package at customs and decline acceptance directly if it isn't your order (meaning, let customs return it back to sender as that saves you the hassle to ship it back completely on your own and saves shipping costs for both BD and yourself).

In either case, most of the time you'll get something over 100Euros from the US, you will most definately have to deal with customs, Frankfurter Zoll is very strict on that account.

Also, BD won't get any problems because of this, as this is under german customs jurisdiction now and your responsibility to provide the correct papers. Customs will tap your head, not BDs if something seems fishy to them :D

Maybe you can also offer shipping via UPS, I'd pay $ 20 extra, because my friend said they'd do all that stuff for you. Or make an opt-in indiscrete shipping where you just attach the invoice on the outside.


Well, not really, because german customs need the papers and UPS can't provide them, only you can.
So in retrsospect, if BD would send it to you via UPS, you'd get a notification from UPS (instead of DHL),
to provide invoice + PayPal receipt to the customs office. Therefore I highly advise against using UPS for international delivery.

About the "opt-in indiscrete shipping" as you call it:
It normally takes place with all international orders, BD has to do this for shipping something out of the country and most countries worldwide require it that way. USPS Priority is no exception, you don't have to shell out extra cash for UPS to get it done this way ;)

Also, it's the decision of german customs "how" the package will be send from Frankfurt Zoll to your local customs office in your town and normally (well, most definately) they ship it via DHL.

Okay, I can't fetch the package before Monday, anyways, but please someone tell me if I'm right to just print 2 copies of the invoice and Paypal receipt and go to the customs office or if I should modify / rig something to match the amount on the box. Though it'll be hard to hide all those bottles of Cumlube . But good thing the Dollar is so weak that means I have to pay less. Just 150 € so even if I have to pay fees for plastic as well it'll be less than 50 €. I'll just take 50 € with me that should be enough.


Yep, like I said, print the original invoices and the PayPal receipt and tell them what's going on and you're good to go (and expect curious faces from the agents :D I always cry from laughter when they open my boxes XD ).
But check the contents carefully and decline acceptance if it isn't yours.

I'd advise you to take more money with you, even if the Dollar is weak at the moment. 210$ is only partly under the 150Euro value - if they decide to add the shipping costs to the total amount of the package (I really don't know why, sometimes they do it, sometimes not), you're screwed if you don't have a giro-card with you.


I also modified my numbers in my overview, as with 2011 it's not 6,5% for Plastic / Artificial products but only 6,0% now, got that for the order I received in January. Better for German customers :D
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby tashi » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:10 am

Okay :) I'm looking forward to Monday now! :D I'll just bring 70 € and my girocard.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Nemekh » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:00 pm

Made this a sticky as it's useful information for our European customer base :)
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby tashi » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:06 pm

I guess I have some exhibitionistic side to my personality. I'm already looking forward to having to open a package with a Chance and some other toys inside. :D "Oh yes that's a big horse dong, isn't it?" Need to save some money, though, first.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby mnemosyne » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:24 am

ok... i want to buy one or two of bd-toys, but they are expensive ("qualität hat ihren preis")so i have to save money.
da hier anscheinend ein deutscher user ist muss ich nicht stundenlang an nem englischen text sitzen (because there is a german user here i can writze my questin in german. hope thats ok.


@tashi: ich habe keine kreditkarte, werde also paypal nutzen müssen. die berechnen laut wiki 3,9% an gebühr für auslandsüberweisungen. und umrechnen muss man auchnoch, also euro->dollar+xeuro an gebühr.

muss ich armes matheopfer mir jetzt die arbeit machen, das ganze umzurechnen und zusätzlich noch die gebühren berechnen, oder kann man sich das anzeigen lassen? (ich werd keine einzugsermächtigung geben, mir zu unsicher)

wie lief das bei dir ab? über einzugsermächtigung und dann rechnet paypal um und addiert gleich die gebühren und zieht das ab?

ich hab bisher noch nie aus dem ausland geordert^^



@all thank you for your understanding^^
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby tashi » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:47 am

Ich hab einfach über Paypal bestellt, ganz am Schluss bekommst du dann nochmal angezeigt wieviel Geld jetzt eigentlich abgezogen wird.

Im Moment ist der Dollar sehr schwach, drum hast du da recht großes Glück :) Und bei mir lief auch beim Zoll alles klasse ab.

Da war gerade ein Afrikaner, der sich christliche DVDs abgeholt hat und der dann fast durchgedreht ist, weil er ne Anthro Mare gesehen hat und 18 Flaschen Cumlube xD

Aber die waren dann so nett mir die Flaschen extra abzurechnen und dann hab ich irgendwas um die 20 oder 30 € bezahlt, ich weiß schon gar nicht mehr :)
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:29 am

mnemosyne wrote:ok... i want to buy one or two of bd-toys, but they are expensive ("qualität hat ihren preis")so i have to save money.
da hier anscheinend ein deutscher user ist muss ich nicht stundenlang an nem englischen text sitzen (because there is a german user here i can writze my questin in german. hope thats ok.


@tashi: ich habe keine kreditkarte, werde also paypal nutzen müssen. die berechnen laut wiki 3,9% an gebühr für auslandsüberweisungen. und umrechnen muss man auchnoch, also euro->dollar+xeuro an gebühr.

muss ich armes matheopfer mir jetzt die arbeit machen, das ganze umzurechnen und zusätzlich noch die gebühren berechnen, oder kann man sich das anzeigen lassen? (ich werd keine einzugsermächtigung geben, mir zu unsicher)

wie lief das bei dir ab? über einzugsermächtigung und dann rechnet paypal um und addiert gleich die gebühren und zieht das ab?

ich hab bisher noch nie aus dem ausland geordert^^



@all thank you for your understanding^^


Moin!

Um hier als deutscher per PayPal zu zahlen, musst du genug Guthaben in deinem PayPal Konto haben, internationale Einzugsermächtigung via PayPal erlaubt BD (noch) nicht, weil bei Fehlschlag extreme Gebühren anfallen (ist leider bei allen internationalen Einzugsermächtigungen so wenn diese fehlschlagen).

Diese 3,9% Gebühren belaufen sich nur auf eine gewerbliche Nutzung von PayPal, wenn du z. B. bei eBay was verkaufst, werden dir Gebühren in Rechnung gestellt. Für den Kauf hier bei BD wird dir nix in Rechnung gestellt.

Umrechnen brauchst du auch nix, geht alles automatisch. Wenn du hier deinen Warenkorb füllst und deine Bestellung abschließt, wirst dann automatisch auf die PayPal Seite weitergeleitet und musst dich dort anmelden und den Kauf bestätigen (wie bei eBay). Kriegst dann per e-Mail eine Bestätigung, die du für den Zoll als Nachweis brauchst + die Rechnung von BD, die kannst du dir über die Übersicht ziehen (wenn du sie nicht per e-Mail bekommst).
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby tashi » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:07 pm

Okay... Ich konnte einfach bei Paypal Lastschrift auswählen.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby drnick » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:42 pm

tashi wrote:And I paid $ 210 + $90.35 shipping cost.


Wooooow! And I usually whine about paying $15 shipping!

You guys are hardcore! :P
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:24 am

drnick wrote:
tashi wrote:And I paid $ 210 + $90.35 shipping cost.


Wooooow! And I usually whine about paying $15 shipping!

You guys are hardcore! :P


That we international customers are, yes yes xD
And he mostly had to pay customs on top of that also ^^
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby mnemosyne » Sat May 14, 2011 7:59 am

d.h 300$ oo

Die Versandkosten sind in etwa so hoch? oder wieviel hat das gewogen?

Naja, lohnt sich schon irgendwie...also 300$=212€..

meh, im going to work for the botanical garden here. then i might earn the money fast enough to adopt a floppy.

ist expensive. i know, its wrth the price, but im a student and i have ~680€/month ..i rent a flat with my boyfriend and my 2 lovely cats <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 so at the end of the month..well, we uy lots of noodles, thats cheap....

so, enough whining^^.


danke/thanks for the help.



its sad that only few germans were here... (wenn es mehr wären, steigt die wahrscheinlichkeit, dass man in der nähe wohnt und man könnte gruppenbestellungen machen, das wäre vermutlich günstiger^^ )


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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Sat May 14, 2011 10:33 am

Mit normalem, trackbarem Usps Priority Mail sind die Preise nach Deutschland leider nicht gerade billig.
Da tashi 18 Flaschen Cumlube gekauft hat, wog das Paket sicherlich nicht gerade wenig,
ich geh da mal von mehr als 7kg aus + die Mare und der kleinkram, da steigt der Preis natürlich exponentiell.
Man kann den Versand in etwa vorher berechnen via PostageCalculator --> http://ircalc.usps.gov/default.aspx?Mode=Intl_Single&CID=10440
8kg = 17,6pounds, kommt dann ca. 88$ raus, also passts mit meiner Vermutung :)

Und yo, Sammelbestellungen wären schon was :D
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby mnemosyne » Sat May 14, 2011 12:28 pm

innerhalb von deutschland ist der versand auch günstiger, eine warensendung ist afaik etwas günstiger vom porto her.
(man müsste natürlich sicher sein dass der rest keins von den zauberhaften liebeshilfen einbehält^^)

hmn.. this month i wont have enough money. maybe in june
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Ladyzilla » Thu May 26, 2011 8:05 pm

I have a question about something one of the people on another forum suggested (Please forgive my use of English, as I have only been studying Deutsch for a year, and cannot explain advanced concepts in Deutsch).

Someone suggested ordering a toy from Bad Dragon, having it shipped to someone you know in the states (i.e. a good friend), and then having them mail it to you as a "gift" to bypass the customs problems/fees that come from ordering something from a foreign country. I realize that this is a bit underhanded, but is it still an option? Don't misunderstand me, I do love Bad Dragon's toys, but I simply will not be able to afford that much money to have something sent to me, and will no longer be able to buy toys once my husband and I move to Deutschland.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 pm

Ladyzilla wrote:I have a question about something one of the people on another forum suggested (Please forgive my use of English, as I have only been studying Deutsch for a year, and cannot explain advanced concepts in Deutsch).

Someone suggested ordering a toy from Bad Dragon, having it shipped to someone you know in the states (i.e. a good friend), and then having them mail it to you as a "gift" to bypass the customs problems/fees that come from ordering something from a foreign country. I realize that this is a bit underhanded, but is it still an option? Don't misunderstand me, I do love Bad Dragon's toys, but I simply will not be able to afford that much money to have something sent to me, and will no longer be able to buy toys once my husband and I move to Deutschland.


Good thinking, but the main problem with german customs is, that you (or better, the customs agents) always need some kind of "indicator" (invoice) to the price value, meaning, what the thing is actually worth you get, even if it's labelled as a "gift from a friend" on the customs declaration. If no invoice is found by the customs agents, they will contact the receipient to demand the invoice / want him to tell them what the item is worth. If no invoice or the latter can't be provided by the receipient, the customs agents will look on their own on the internet to compare the item with similar stuff and then charge the customs fees and VAT tax.

There IS always the way of putting in a "fake invoice" within the package by the seller or "friend", that only declares the price up to approx. 21 Euros, just on the line where you don't have to pay any customs and VAT taxes, like many HongKong or China dealers do. But just as I wrote in my FAQ, sometimes the german customs agents believe these "fake invoices" and let the package slip through without fees, and sometimes they don't and demand proof from the receipient as well that the invoice is correct. Problem here: most packages sent from American dealers are subject to automated inspection and therefore holding in customs. Also, do remember that if you go that way, you and the seller are basically committing a crime of fiscal evasion by bypassing possible tax-payments to the german revenue-office, which are hardly sought after. The chance that you get caught may be slim, be the possibility is there.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Karvasmanteli » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:11 pm

Oh I'd hate to live in Germany ;)

Slight off topic but does anyone in Europe have TARIC code what they have used when importing toys from BD? That would help my issue as we can do whole that process electronically and you don't need to go to customs to declare your package.
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Re: Small FAQ / overview for german customers :)

Postby Blackymoon » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:49 am

Karvasmanteli wrote:Oh I'd hate to live in Germany ;)

Slight off topic but does anyone in Europe have TARIC code what they have used when importing toys from BD? That would help my issue as we can do whole that process electronically and you don't need to go to customs to declare your package.


There wasn't any organized system when german customs declared the TARIC codes for my BD orders, they always switched between 3 different codes, even if there were cumlube bottles in the package. I don't know if your finnish customs work under the same nomenclature as our german customs does, but here goes...

They mostly used the following TARIC codes when declaring my shippments:

Possible TARIC declaration for Toys:
3302 - ESSENTIAL OILS AND RESINOIDS; PERFUMERY, COSMETIC OR TOILET PREPARATIONS (Mixtures of odoriferous substances and mixtures (including alcoholic solutions) with a basis of one or more of these substances, of a kind used as raw materials in industry; other preparations based on odoriferous substances, of a kind used for the manufacture of beverages)

Possible TARIC declaration for Cumlube shippments:
3304 - undercategory 99 (Other) - Beauty or make-up preparations and preparations for the care of the skin (other than medicaments), including sunscreen or suntan preparations; manicure or pedicure preparations

And only once for my first order in 2009 - may already changed by EU-law:
2604 - Nickel ores and concentrates

I hope this helps you out :)

I wish I could also use these for declaring my orders electronically too, but it will take ages for german customs to change the handling of their work from paper to electronic handling >___>

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