Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Danjen » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:45 pm

I would let them use my picture(s), but it's the kind of thing you'd want to be asked first.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby MrBigglesworth » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:26 am

First of all, that is so freakin' awesome that BD got a full-page article!

Second of all, I'd be pretty pissed off to if I were Harlot, but you have to admit that putting images of yourself on the web, no matter the content, is just asking for trouble. And by the way, just 'cause something is illegal won't stop people from doing it.

Thirdly, this is why I've only posted two pics of me on these forums, and they are not only clean but they were on my Myspace. I also happen to know those are the ONLY pics of me posted (to my knowledge) on the internet because I don't want to fuck with that kinda problem.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Danjen » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:50 am

Suiraqua wrote:I also happen to know those are the ONLY pics of me posted (to my knowledge) on the internet because I don't want to fuck with that kinda problem.
Have you checked Facebook? Even if you don't have an account, people can still tag you in a photo if you're a more social person. ;)
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby MrBigglesworth » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:23 pm

Danjen wrote:Have you checked Facebook? Even if you don't have an account, people can still tag you in a photo if you're a more social person. ;)


Me =/= Social
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Danjen » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:38 pm

Nor am I - I logged in the other day and had requests from Christmas. But if you do have an account, it doesn't hurt to check every now and then, just to make sure nobody tags you against your will.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Varka » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:18 pm

As runa said, we gave them a HUGE pack of possible pictures to use, all of which we had stated we were giving full permission for them to use as they wish.

However, they took pictures off of the web and stuck them up there - which wasn't endorsed by us. that effectively means they're on their own when it comes to those images; the other problem is that now it's published there's not a lot that can be done about it, aside from taking it to court for damages etc (in france - ugh!).

The other thing I'm not happy with how they've misquoted is:

(interviewer):To sell dildos?
(varka):Dragons are free creatures, intelligent... I find bestiality terribly exciting. You have not asked how it would be to sleep with one of them?


At no point in my interview did I say 'I find bestiality terribly exciting' - and from my crappy french I can certainly tell there's no way that got lost in translation.

In addition, from my own media studies education, I know how much trouble you can get into for misquoting someone.

Fortunately we're dealing with an obscure, low-budget, low-rent French (!) porn mag here; so really, I think the damage (at least on my part - I'm not sure about harlot) that'll come from this is really minimal.

Still - we do need to get hold of harlot and see what she thinks. If it's a big no-no, then there's probably grounds for some legal recourse; though it'll likely be a pain in the ass to do, and expensive (and involve the french :()
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby PlagueDragon » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:45 pm

Danjen wrote:In addition, from my own media studies education, I know how much trouble you can get into for misquoting someone.


Lets go kick his ass!
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Karighan » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:48 pm

Like I suggested, I think that we should turn the Sharing Experiences forum into MEMBERS ONLY.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Talon Phier » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:08 pm

i agree, sharing experiences as a members only area is a good ides, but, that might deter potential customers looking for reviews of the toys before buying, also, registration is free and the only real way to be banned or not accepted is to be underage. so i dunno how good of an idea that is, but those are just my thoughts ^^
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Freon Dragon » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:04 pm

I think the whole forum should be avaliable to outsiders, but if the poster had the option to make attachments and links private so non-members can't see them, it would be perfect.
For example, I post a review, pics 1, 2 and 3 are of the toy only. Pics 4 and 5 are in-use plus there's a link to an in-use video. I check a box to make links private and boxes next to pics 4 and 5. Non-members will see that there are 5 attachments and a link, but they'll only be able to view pics 1, 2 and 3.
Mind you that I don't even know if it's possible to make a system like this.

If not that, then make attachments only viewable to members.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby MrBigglesworth » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:16 am

When I used to frequent the Beyond Unreal forums, all of the attachments were available only to members. Sucked for BU, but that'd be great for Bad Dragon.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Ruffe Husky » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:53 am

Only one problem is this, it takes how long for a person to make an account. 5 minutes at most. So then are you going to have a minimum post count for members to see attachments. I mean, no matter what you do, this is just going to create problems to solve one.

The only real recourse is for BD to learn to maybe state clearly that pictures on their site are copyrighted and that the ones given are the only ones that they have permission to use, and that if they want a certain picture, to contact BD so the staff can take the picture requested if possible. So I'd recommend you guys pulling up the round table and discussing interviews and pictures.

As for the picture, Harlot needs to be told. And also Varka, misquoting in this instance (if you actually didn't say the bestiality comment) is libel, so... SUE THEIR ASS. They printed material that they knew to be false to give you and BD a bad image. I mean, even for translation, that interview seems broken and quotes used to prove their view. Honestly, the bestiality comment seems put there to prove the stereotype that furries are messed up, introverted people that go home and fuck their pets every night. I mean, they show you as not even listening to their questions, which I doubt you'd be that excited to not answer the question at hand. Also, you and Harlot (if she wants) could probably file jointly on this.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Dimi » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:16 am

Sadly, they'll probably just fart in Varka's general direction... Pursuing a lawsuit like this one is gonna be a ridiculous headache

Also, misquoting and libel are two different things. The latter means publishing false incriminating information/quote about someone, not just any sort of false information/quote
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Quiet269 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:07 am

if bestiality is illegal, wouldn't that be incriminating?

I personally do not see how making the attachments members only would solve any issues... but I can see how it could create a few.

Just my personal opinion
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Freon Dragon » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:15 am

Quiet269 wrote:if bestiality is illegal, wouldn't that be incriminating?

Linking =/= doing
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Runa » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:20 am

I thought, from my french room mate, that the quote went as such:

"I find their bestial nature rather exciting..."

which I can see a sort of mistranslation, and makes sense, and suddenly isn't about bestiality anymore! As for the whole "making the forum private"...I really think something should be done, but everything that pops up suddenly makes more issues than it's worth. to top it all off, even if we DID do something, it only takes a moment to make an account.

That said, I still think we should make the forums (or at least the attachments) members only. this allows us to put a disclaimer in the forum rules, making it so that people are not legally allowed to redistribute images found on the forum, or something. That way if something like this ever happens again, it's a lot easier to take legal action.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Quiet269 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:48 am

Runa wrote:I thought, from my french room mate, that the quote went as such:

"I find their bestial nature rather exciting..."

which I can see a sort of mistranslation, and makes sense, and suddenly isn't about bestiality anymore! As for the whole "making the forum private"...I really think something should be done, but everything that pops up suddenly makes more issues than it's worth. to top it all off, even if we DID do something, it only takes a moment to make an account.

That said, I still think we should make the forums (or at least the attachments) members only. this allows us to put a disclaimer in the forum rules, making it so that people are not legally allowed to redistribute images found on the forum, or something. That way if something like this ever happens again, it's a lot easier to take legal action.

That quote does make more sense.

You can put a disclaimer anywhere you like... can't you? Just have your link to the forums set up with an agreement like your link to the main page does... Then it's in their face, so they cannot say "I didn't see it" but you do not have to rework the way the forums are coded...

Making anything Members only in a forum just makes it so less people view the material. I know 9 times out of 10 when I go googling for stuff and find random forum with information _____ I will click on an attachment wanting to view it... and if it's members only... I exit out and go looking elsewhere. The 1 time I sign up is 2 hours later when I cannot find the info somewhere else.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Freon Dragon » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:18 am

I also hate blocked attachments, but it makes sense when it's private stuff like the content posted here.

They could just put a disclaimer, but I think that when it's something that you have to agree with to register and view the content, it's possible to use it as a contract of sorts against the person in court.
Kinda like 'our disclaimer said this, the person agreed to this and yet they violated our rules'. Sounds like a good argument.
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Dimi » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:48 am

Quiet269 wrote:if bestiality is illegal, wouldn't that be incriminating?

It's not illegal everywhere, now is it? Not to mention it's the act that's ever illegal...
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Re: Bad Dragon Article in French Porn Magazine

Postby Quiet269 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:52 am

Freon Hotshot wrote:I also hate blocked attachments, but it makes sense when it's private stuff like the content posted here.

They could just put a disclaimer, but I think that when it's something that you have to agree with to register and view the content, it's possible to use it as a contract of sorts against the person in court.
Kinda like 'our disclaimer said this, the person agreed to this and yet they violated our rules'. Sounds like a good argument.
You have the exact same argument if you simply put a disclaimer when you enter the forums.

This is all just ADDITIONAL to the already established regulations to utilizing pictures of someone without their permission.

But whatever... even in doing so you STILL have people that will spend the 5 minutes to create an account to view... and that little legal disclaimer isn't going to do anything to stop them from taking the pics... The currently standing ones didn't.

Here's a thought... Let's lock the forum down so that only people who have purchased toys have access, and we'll all be "safe" from those evil bastards :roll:
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